Victor and the 3 pts

[Mugen]

Him working out with Jamal Crawford should have been a bigger red flag tbh

[Leetonidas]

So victor will eventually be shooting logo 3s at over 50% ? now THAT is a laughable take

[Leetonidas]

Him working out with Jamal Crawford should have been a bigger red flag tbh

Still waiting to see results from that tbh. Because all I've seen thus far is Wemby constantly fumbling the ball or getting stripped and turning it over

[NASpurs]

try to get this in your limited imagination:

he will be better than steph and he wont be limited by being 6'2''

he will shoot from the logo and make them most of the time and no one will ever block those shots and they will demoralize a team even more than when steph demoralizes a team because he will then go near the basket and dominate there also

but YOU will still be scurred that his shooting is making YOU uncomfortable

I should've known from the screen name you would've had reddit takes

[exstatic]

He's not Steph brah. Sorry to break it to you. He'll miss and that's when he has to figure out what else to do besides chucking 10 3s a game.

Taking 3s, even at this %, is better than posting up, being triple teamed, and getting stripped 6-8 times in a game.

[NASpurs]

Taking 3s, even at this %, is better than posting up, being triple teamed, and getting stripped 6-8 times in a game.

Then it sounds like he's not being put in position to succeed from the post if he can't pass out from a triple team.

[exstatic]

So victor will eventually be shooting logo 3s at over 50% ? now THAT is a laughable take

He doesn’t have to. Making 34-35% will open up a lot of dunking lanes for him, and also passing angles as they have to actually come out on him, even 8 feet beyond the arc.

[exstatic]

Then it sounds like he's not being put in position to succeed from the post if he can't pass out from a triple team.

It’s MUCH tougher to pass out of the post than to pass INTO the lane area and hit cutters while facing up.

Tim was an AWFUL post passer until year three or so, and that would have been at 24-25. Victor is 20.

[Leetonidas]

He doesn’t have to. Making 34-35% will open up a lot of dunking lanes for him, and also passing angles as they have to actually come out on him, even 8 feet beyond the arc.

Duh. But that's not what SH said. He literally said Victor will be better than Steph Curry and will make most of his logo threes. The term most obviously implies over 50%

[exstatic]

Duh. But that's not what SH said. He literally said Victor will be better than Steph Curry and will make most of his logo threes. The term most obviously implies over 50%

So, I’m agreeing with you, and you give me a duh?

[NASpurs]

It’s MUCH tougher to pass out of the post than to pass INTO the lane area and hit cutters while facing up.

He has access to Tim right? Ask TD how he did it.

[Leetonidas]

So, I’m agreeing with you, and you give me a duh?

Well yeah, because it's obvious that shooting 34-35% is much more realistic compared to what SH is claiming. sorry if that sounded crass, wasn't intended

[exstatic]

He has access to Tim right? Ask TD how he did it.

I edited that post, but Tim, while he knows now, hadn’t a clue until like year three. He was 24-25. Victor is20.

[Spurs Homer]

I should've known from the screen name you would've had reddit takes

ok genius...
keep being scared and keep trying to turn a unicorn with unlimited talent...
into a one dimensional tall guy who sits under the basket

im going to enjoy having the unicorn do things no one has ever seen yet...

it reminds me of the years living in los angeles and hear people whining that the ing weather is always perfect- it never rains, it doesnt get cold "i miss having cold weather at christmas" " i wish it would snow"

ok

im hoping wemby jacks up 20-40 threes a game lol

[Kuvai]

Opposite. Everyone else was doing what they could to activate the offense when Vic was just jacking shots.

Vic can get his three anytime he wants. Shooting them in every single possession to start a game is a problem. It fails to establish any team rhythm, lets the defense off the hook, and is feast or famine. If they don't fall -- and by nature they often don't -- then you're already two digits down.

that’s in the 2nd quarter

for 1st 8-9 minutes Vic was passing the ball and playing team ball which no one cared.o

[spurraider21]

So victor will eventually be shooting logo 3s at over 50% ? now THAT is a laughable take

arguably with his height and release point, his ideal shooting spot when accounting for trajectory would probably be from farther back than anybody else. but logo is probably not it

[Russ]

Exactly - agreed 100%. The further outside and medial your comfort zone is, the weaker double/triple/quadruple teams become and the stronger cutting and hitting open shots is. These guys need to be constantly moving when he gets the ball high. I thought we did a decent job of it last night, just don't have much talent on the roster to take advantage of such situations.

If only our guys could hit some open shots and weren't afraid to take it strong into the paint repeatedly, we'd be a play-in team. Of course, that's wishcasting at this point but the concept remains true.

The problem is they won't triple team him when he's outside the arc. They'll let him have that shot and collapse in.

He'll be trying to pass to four guys being defended by five guys. No amount of cutting will make that efficient.

[exstatic]

The problem is they won't triple team him when he's outside the arc. They'll let him have that shot and collapse in.

He'll be trying to pass to four guys being defended by five guys. No amount of cutting will make that efficient.

Then if not tripled, he needs one dribble inside the arc, probably a crossover, and he can step from there into a dunk. Getting space, and one defender will never be a bad thing. If they slide another defender or two over when he puts the ball the floor he can pass at that point. He’s shown an ability to pass on the move.

[MannyIsGod]

The name of this thread should be opportunity cost. Victor can be right around break even percentagewise on 3s and shoot 8 a game, OR, he can shoot enough 3s to make it a legit threat and then develop much more efficient shooting opportunities closer to the bucket. Shooting a high volume as a starting place is an atrocious development strategy and its why you never see anyone do it. Even in today's NBA. Not only that, but not all 3s are the same. Logo pullup 3s are not the same as a catch and shoot at the line wide open and in rhythm. How many of Wemby's 3s come off the dribble? It's just not good the way he's being coached right now. It's backwards and I have no idea what Pop is doing.

[Brazil]

I mean the concept is clear. If he becomes proficient at them, there’s no meaningful way for the defense to take it away. He’s going to get open looks his whole career.

but i don’t see the need for him to be shooting with THIS volume NOW. Go shoot a hundred of them in practice, in shootaround, until you improve enough to unleash more in game

I don't mind him shooting this volume now tbh... training is one thing, game is entirely another. As it seems Spurs are considering beginning of the season as a training camp so let if fly I guess, they will probably tight things up later in the season like last year.
The Pop answer indicates clearly that, you go there and shoot not even mentionning the need to clean up the contested, unbalanced, logo ones... mind blowing for a professional organization that get used to analytics and obssessive optimization of everything. It seems like Spurs have discovered an inovation like was google, don't know yet how to use it or how to make money out of it but decided to launch it on the market and figure out the business model later.

As said by another Spurs, last night what I disliked was having all those attempts at the very beginning of the game not letting the team getting in the flow of the offense;

[exstatic]

The name of this thread should be opportunity cost. Victor can be right around break even percentagewise on 3s and shoot 8 a game, OR, he can shoot enough 3s to make it a legit threat and then develop much more efficient shooting opportunities closer to the bucket. Shooting a high volume as a starting place is an atrocious development strategy and its why you never see anyone do it. Even in today's NBA. Not only that, but not all 3s are the same. Logo pullup 3s are not the same as a catch and shoot at the line wide open and in rhythm. How many of Wemby's 3s come off the dribble? It's just not good the way he's being coached right now. It's backwards and I have no idea what Pop is doing.

He shot a better percentage last year on step backs than he did on C&S 3s. Counter intuitive, but true. As someone else pointed out, at 7’4”, his ideal trajectory would come from further out.

[Brazil]

that’s in the 2nd quarter

for 1st 8-9 minutes Vic was passing the ball and playing team ball which no one cared.o

he shot 2 3s on first 2 possessions tbh

[Russ]

Then if not tripled, he needs one dribble inside the arc, probably a crossover, and he can step from there into a dunk. Getting space, and one defender will never be a bad thing. If they slide another defender or two over when he puts the ball the floor he can pass at that point. He’s shown an ability to pass on the move.

You're right. But it assumes he'll actually exploit that opening rather than just shoot the wide open three.

[baseline bum]

The name of this thread should be opportunity cost. Victor can be right around break even percentagewise on 3s and shoot 8 a game, OR, he can shoot enough 3s to make it a legit threat and then develop much more efficient shooting opportunities closer to the bucket. Shooting a high volume as a starting place is an atrocious development strategy and its why you never see anyone do it. Even in today's NBA. Not only that, but not all 3s are the same. Logo pullup 3s are not the same as a catch and shoot at the line wide open and in rhythm. How many of Wemby's 3s come off the dribble? It's just not good the way he's being coached right now. It's backwards and I have no idea what Pop is doing.

Honestly I'd rather have him shooting logo threes than constant catch and shoot ones. He's elite shooting threes off the dribble in transition. Not far behind guys like Doncic and Harden, shooting 37.5% on pull up threes last year. What drives me nuts is seeing Victor always going to the three point line in the halfcourt where he is an awful catch and shoot shooter. Last year he shot 28.3% on catch and shoot threes. Top 1/3 of the league in pull up threes, bottom third or quarter of the league in catch and shoot threes.

[John B]

I commented on this in the game thread. It was horrendous to watch him hurl 13 3pt attempts. But, I see the rational. If he’s open, take the shot. And at 7’3” he will be open his whole career. And he’s capable and has great form. If he can get close to Curry, Tatum, Dame percentage, Wemby would be unstoppable. We all know that Wemby is an anomaly, someone we’ve never seen before. So Pop and his trainers are in the same boat. It will be up to them to strategize and maximize Wemby’s skills and how they will translate to W’s. It’s a growing pain but very exciting to envision the final product.