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Yeah this isn't wrong, but 9-13 and 9-11 are a matter of 5 spots in the East standings. IMO, they're much closer to being in the bottom five than in the top 5 regardless of their current standings.
They're a fringe play in team in the east, IMO. That -2.5 team net rating is pretty telling as is their 119 opp ppg. They've gotten some sneaky wins and Cleveland played bad against them (I watched parts of both of those games) but Cleveland is another team that has been punching well above their weight IMO. They're on a hot streak right now (Atlanta) and it isn't impossible they've turned a corner and that THIS is the real version of them but I am beyond skeptical.
What DAF mentioned above is their biggest positive, IMO. It will be HARD to be a bottom 5 team in the East just because its the East.
Yeah this isn't wrong, but 9-13 and 9-11 are a matter of 5 spots in the East standings. IMO, they're much closer to being in the bottom five than in the top 5 regardless of their current standings.
True, but as a counterpoint... Tanking SZN hasn't fully kicked into gear yet either (except if you are UTA and WAS)
I don't think Atlanta is great, but in their defense, being 11-11 while incorporating two new starters in Dyson Daniels plus the rookie Risacher is somewhat impressive. The Spurs started 3-20 last year while trying to get the most heralded rookie of the decade acclimated.
Exactly this. My gripe is less with trading him, but more the return. Guess we have to reserve judgement until the swap in 2028.
You might have misunderstood me. I didn't claim that the Derrick White trade was good or bad. I only said that calling it good solely because we got Wemby later doesn't work. It implies that the trade would have been bad if we hadn't gotten Wemby. Good results only sometimes imply good decisions, not always.
The trade raised the Spurs' chances of getting Wemby by maybe 5-6.5% at most because even with Derrick they shouldn't have had too much trouble tanking their way into a bottom 7 record. Given how transformational Wemby is, I can totally see the argument that the trade was worth it under the assumption that the Spurs couldn't have tanked their way into a bottom 3 record with Derrick on the team.
Hawks are doing a little better than expected but nothing crazy. Some of their players are doing better than expected like Dyson Daniels, some are worst like Trae young. They have had some surprising wins (Celtics, Cavs x2 ) and some surprising loses (Wizards x2 ).
What is more significant is that Sixers and Pacers are doing way worst than projected. It turns Hawks from a team unlikely to make the playoffs to a team likely to make them. What these two teams will do this season is key on where the Hawks pick will land.
West being better than East makes that some picks are almost sure to belong to a conference:
- The two teams with the best records that will miss the playoffs will surely be the two losing teams from the WC play in tournament => pick #13 and #14 will belong to west teams.
- The two teams with the worst records that will make the playoffs will surely be the two winning teams from the EC play in tournament => pick #15 and #16 will belong to east teams.
the point with Atlanta is that they found in Daniels the exact kinf of player they were looking for in Murray....aka a secondary play maker very good at defense that can complement young defensive deficiencies.
All in al their top ten players are not that bad and the team has no reason to tank...
Big night here to get back on track:
ATL needs to lose to MIL
BKN needs to lose to IND
LAL needs to lose to MIA
ORL and PHI I guess either way works and possibly either way for IND/BKN too but I believe more in the Pacers and want them to pull up to push ATL down some. Gotta pull up some of these Eastern Conf teams.
Trae Young’s stats are kinda wonky so far this season. His advanced continue to spiral down yet his on/off numbers are great this season. +9 on offense and only -1.7 on defense.
Quinn Snyder kind of screwing us.
Jesus Christ I guess we’re just going to have to Except the fact that this year‘s Hawks are the 86 Celtics.
un ingbelievable really
fck u hawks
Atlanta beating a hot Bucks team convincingly on the road. Spurs are gonna have to tank themselves if they want a top-10 pick tbh
Snyder has the Hawks playing good team basketball tbh. Jalen Johnson and Dyson Daniels both taking another leapt this year has been huge for them as well.
The season is long
So Spurs finally get a windfall situation in the DJM trade and the Hawks proceed to:
Jump a statistically anomalous plus 9 slots in the draft to land #1 one year before SA gets control of a series of the Hawks picks, throw a fit trying to trade off of the pick, threatening to hostage select various different presumed team favorites, retool apparently successfully, and are now ruining their 2025 draft pick value in a debatably retaliatory tantrum that feels personal. Just a weird series of events that I'd like to blow out of proportion bitterly.
I totally get it from the Hawks perspective. And they really look good and pretty compe ive. The only reward is to the top for them and they shot for it. But .
I mean what do we expect, ATL to just lose for us on purpose? I mean what would it take for them to even consider that? Seriously? 100k? 250? In a strictly hypothetical sense? In a strictly hypothetical briefcase?
We need Trae to break a leg tbh
Trae Young was 6/19 tonight, including 0/9 from 3, and they just beat the hottest team in the league on the road by 15.
We need Trae to break a leg tbh
Trae's only shooting 36% from the field this year and only 30% from 3. Hawks are playing well despite Trae, not because of him tbh. That's the thing.
Snyder has these guys playing great team ball and winning games despite Trae's struggles.
They can get a lot better, Trae isn't great, Risacher gets better and post ASG a lot more team won't care to tank
It's best to lower our expectations on that pick tbh
Our main shot at a lottery pick will be a trade of multiple of our picks imo
Luckily, the Spurs are not that great so we should end up with a late lottery pick anyways
If the Lakers continue their tailspin and end up giving the Hawks a top 10 pick in this draft, that wouldnt be great for the '26 swap and '27 pick tbh
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Should've offered those Hawks picks for Markkanen, tbh.
The worst thing is that none of those tanking teams in the East are close to putting it together, with more supposedly playoff teams falling off and getting closer to blowing it up.
It's really about dyson daniels, the guy is just a steals machine. also credit to trae for realising he's garbage and he should just be passing.
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