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He's probably still a little wobbly defensively cuz of his knee. Just needs some more time. He'll step up when it counts. He's got the tools just needs maybe another 5-10 games to ruminate.
Jesus Christ, and this guy is getting paid more, overall, than Zollins or Keldon?
He's probably still a little wobbly defensively cuz of his knee. Just needs some more time. He'll step up when it counts. He's got the tools just needs maybe another 5-10 games to ruminate.
Looks like's he's been pretty consistent (consistently ass) for the last 150 or so games of his career. IDK why people wanna keep blaming his knee
Maybe when it's all said and done, Vassell is going to be this generation's successor to DeMar DeRozan who was the prior generation's successor to Jerry Stackhouse.
Stack played in an age where shooting percentages didn't matter and raw point totals were all people cared about. His numbers looked great, but had limited impact on winning.
Then DeRozan came along when people started paying attention to shooting percentages, but didn't fully appreciate the concept of shot diet and the importance of shooting 3s over midrange, so even though his numbers looked good, he still had a limited impact on winning.
Now Vassell comes along gets to the rim and shoots 3s at a good clip, but advanced catch-all metrics like EPM and DARKO haven't made it to the mainstream yet, so even though his percentages and 3 point volume look great, he's had a limited impact on winning.
Still hoping he turns it around this season and buys into more of a two-way role even if it's as more of a role player
I say Champaigne deserved the starting spot over Vassell.
doenst get paid forbes (or patty mills) level money either. For his salary he is dog .
damn Patty was better than we all seem to assume?Damn, I wasn't even expecting this
The only thing they haven’t blamed yet is the boogie.Looks like's he's been pretty consistent (consistently ass) for the last 150 or so games of his career. IDK why people wanna keep blaming his knee
Anyway - it looks like player politics are driving the Spurs rotations. Probably doesn’t end well.
Possibly, but at least Julian is finding a way to thrive in his role.
You gotta start with the sunshine.
the problem with Vassell on defense is that he
1: gets lost on screens to easily
2: when he closes out and his man drives he somehow always has his body in a sideways position which allows his defender to just bump him and score/draw a foul
3: has played on a team with terrible defensive schemes for years
So yeah his defense is not that good, but it's not like he's a black hole. He still gets deflections here and there and contests shots. Given his physical profile he should be better though.
Offensively I've always said he's an offball player. Once this team gets a PG who can get into the paint consistently Devin should just get catch and shoot jumpers. We saw some glimpses of that in the Nets game. He also seems to be in a shooting slump right now.
What I'm missing is last year's Vassell who was around 1.2 PPP in pick & rolls and hit tough shots at top NBA shooting percentages. I hope that still comes along during the season.
you know what's funny about that? Vassell has played a total of 255 NBA games, yet your graphic has a graph for 350Looks like's he's been pretty consistent (consistently ass) for the last 150 or so games of his career. IDK why people wanna keep blaming his knee
The area above 0 is basically 150 games which are his first 3 seasons, as he missed the majority at the end of the tank for Wemby season. So the lines below 0 are only from last season (which was a tanking season with us still running drop coverage, playing Zach Collins and nobody being in the gaps) and 16 games of this season. You should reevaluate that one100 games in this graphic say Vassell is a bad defender because he was OUT
People here HOWLED over Patty’s 4/$48M deal, and that money was 7 years and one CBA ago.
Read my other posts because my point is flying over your head. Smh one more time: if he elevates his offense to be the #2 guy, TO ME his salary is worth it even if his defense is dog .
We, collectively as a board tend to get almost everything wrong so the fact that the entire board is done with him should serve as a pretty good contrarian indicator.
Vassell about to go offfff
For his salary level he shouldnt be a giant question mark of if if if. For what he is paid he shouldnt be a 11 ppg for 5 games and then a 18 ppg for 5 games swings.
He should be #3 guy easily and honestly on many nights he is far from that.
And honestly dog would be an improvement over his current level of defense.
His BBIQ is ing awful and I dont see that changing anytime soon. Cut bait quickly while you can and bring in a higher IQ guy.
I'll say it again, the biggest issue is that he's the most common archetype, easiest type of player to find in the league.
Shooting guards who don't do anything other than score aren't that valuable today, even if they're efficent, consistent 20ppg scorers.
Unless you're a 25+ a night player, you better either defend or create on high level, days of pure scorers are long gone if we're talking average starters.
No contender in the league starts a pure shooting guard right now.
Mitc is a ballhandler, averages almost 5 assists and is one of those 25+ whenever it's needed scorers.
If we assume Castle/Wemby is the core, we need two 3-D players for the starting lineup and a legit triple threat who can score with ease and create for others.
Champ is the placeholder 3-D guy. Who knows, at this rate he might take another leap and become a legit starter.
CP3 is the temporary creator solution.
Obviously Jeremy is starting ahead of Castle, but it's going to be really hard to incorporate both in the starting lineup if they don't develop reliable jumpshots and Castle obviously has a higher ceiling.
Devin is just redundant. It's his 5th season, even if he becomes the best realistic version of himself, he's still a common player.
I haven’t defended his current level of play. This begs the question, how many guys in the league are actually performing to their salary level? I bet you there are fans on other forums complaining about their underperforming players? Isn’t Vassell really on the first year of his extension?
If he made up for his offensive inconsistencies with hustle and effort in other areas he might do it too. Wake me if either happens.
it is year 1.
the real issue is that he has shown no signs of growth you'd expect from a young player. His BBIQ is the biggest issue and a fatal issue I feel. Even if he returned to his scoring ways, his fit on this roster is terrible due to said terrible BBIQ. If the 'goal' is a return to the Beautiful Way, it wont happen with Vassel on the roster ever.
Resident BI guy, scott
Is there a metric somewhere that shows your performance stat over contract years (and salary size overlay?)
What worries me is that we likely have multiple FRPs in the 10-20 range over the next say 3 years and Vassell is a prime example of the level of talent and development curve we can expect.
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It kinda matches the eye test too. I’ve notice in the past games that the other team is going to the matchup he’s on. Not an accident Bridges exploded on us with Vassell guarding him, for example, but the Nets were doing it too. Something to watch now that he’s with the SL and facing better talent.Looks like's he's been pretty consistent (consistently ass) for the last 150 or so games of his career. IDK why people wanna keep blaming his knee
If all goes well… Many of those will bust.
It is a genuine concern. We don’t seem to draft as well in the mid lottery and end up drafting guys 10 spots to early.
I fear the first part of Wemby’s career will resemble Robinson’s.
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