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Yeah, he's been injured... but I don't think that matters with a long term assessment... Again, the argument isn't that IQ is better than Fox, but that he might be a better 4th option at $32.5mil than Fox is as a 2nd option at $55-70mil.
Great thoughts here and definitely something to think about. I do wonder if Wemby requires a “two star” model, or if you can get by with RELIABLE #3 type guys around him (I don’t put Vassell in this category, if any is wondering)
Yeah, he's been injured... but I don't think that matters with a long term assessment... Again, the argument isn't that IQ is better than Fox, but that he might be a better 4th option at $32.5mil than Fox is as a 2nd option at $55-70mil.
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Hot take but I don't think he's worth the price tag they're putting on him.
It's a fire sale now.
This is a worthy thread to browse through if you're thinking about Fox: https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussi...of_sacramento/
Lots of Kings fans saying Fox is part of the problem.
2 first rounders, KJ and brahnam/Wesley or whatever would be doable.
Ultimately he's absolutely part of the problem for Sacramento as a franchise if not their biggest problem.
And that problem is that while he's a very good player who puts up very good numbers and has many great clutch performances ... He's not a #1. He was never going to be. He never will be. But because Sacramento was never able to get a number one for him to play next to (Bagley???) ... they were doomed to this fate.
But Wemby is expected to be the Spurs #1, at least by most people (some exceptions like the Dunc'd On guys who have insisted forever that Wemby will never be good enough). Wemby needs a #2, Vassell ain't it, and Castle is a mystery.
Addition by subtraction as well. Just make sure they are Spurs FRPs.
https://old.reddit.com/r/kings/comme...aron_fox_rant/
Interesting rant, comments seem to mostly agree with him.
Eh Fox would not work here zero self awareness. FO should be targeting Keegan Murray if that team blows up. That guy is a robot.
Fox has been an All Star and made one All NBA team.
sounds to me that he could be even better in a winning situation
As they say, winning cures everything.
Just this summer Mitc was seen as a coach killer with weak mentality, look at them now.
A tad concerning. He is with an organization that never wins and just fired the only coach to have any success since the Clinton administration. Could be a Brent Barry from Seattle situation.
https://www.starwars.com/databank/jabba-the-hutt
Windy has spoken!
This is where I’m landing. He’s a good star (like 12th man on all star team), but not sure Fox was the max salary player I had in mind when thinking about Wemby running mates tbh.
Brutal. I do wonder what happens to players when they are in losing situations their whole careers. Can they really turn it on at the next stop?
I think the question those Kings fans would pose would be if he even cared about turning it on.
I’m not anti Fox, more on the fence. Got a real bad vibe from that post game presser. Not in the camp that he is the absolute guy to solve our problems, but he’ll solve at least some of them. Where I land will come down to the price of both his acquisition and his contract. It would be better for us if he doesn’t land an All NBA slot this year so that he’s not SuperMax eligible.
Spurs don't need a 4th option, they need a reliable 2nd option. Wemby isn't going to be able to carry this quality roster on his back.
The Kings have made some unusual decisions over the years, to say the least. The year they drafted Davion Mitc with the 9th pick just kind of sealed it for me. They talked about his defensive intensity and how the team needed to improve in that area, and I thought "you just drafted a 6' PG with a 6'4" wingspan to improve the defense of your NBA team in the year 2021??" You never know with them if it's the GM or Vivek stepping in and overriding a decision, but it just happens way too much with this franchise to be bad luck.
Right, and my thought is Fox isn't a #2 option at $60mil+/yr, and in this new era of extremely punitive payroll rules, one the biggest mistakes a team can make is to max out a guy whose impact stats are just above average.
He won’t get $60M unless he makes an All NBA team and gets the SuperMax, and even a 4/$200M or a 5/$250M would be pretty innocuous by the end of the contract with the current CBA year over year cap growth. That being said, if he does SuperMax, that’s probably above what you want to pay, even with the current cap growth.
Don't look at the numbers, look at percentages of the cap. Max stays the same relative to the cap.
This is a strong argument and very pragmatic. But we lack scoring. First option scoring from a shot creator particularly. I know that's basically Wemby right now but I've always thought the goal would be to find a volume scoring wing or guard that fits that roll in order to take pressure off Wemby.
Fox fits that mold more than Quickley would.
That's why he probably won't ask for a trade before signing that
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