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    Damn Wemby just dropped his balls on the boardroom table for everyone to see.

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    Some people on this board thinking he's gonna wait quietly for that 2031 pick lmao

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    Roster is trash, make the one move that can make it fun : Ingram or Zion.

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    I don't think many Spurs fans realized just how bad the Spurs are...until CP3 came in and turned the team into something worth watching again. One 39 yr old short PG, showed up just about everyone else on the team and ran the team like an actual real basketball team.

    That's how bad the SPURS really are.

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    I don't think many Spurs fans realized just how bad the Spurs are...until CP3 came in and turned the team into something worth watching again. One 39 yr old short PG, showed up just about everyone else on the team and ran the team like an actual real basketball team.

    That's how bad the SPURS really are.
    To be fair Chris Paul is known to do that. Not 39 year old. But he has done that a few times.
    Hornets/pelicans to clippers to OKC to suns. I think only warriors didn't directly see a difference

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    To be fair Chris Paul is known to do that. Not 39 year old. But he has done that a few times.
    Hornets/pelicans to clippers to OKC to suns. I think only warriors didn't directly see a difference
    But cp3 is really old now.Yet he is still looking hungry and showing more passion and promise then these
    young dudes we brought in for our future.Just a terrible roster the front office put together.

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    Im still on the fence about Fox tbh.

    Meanwhile Im watching the Boston situation. If they ring again this year, i think they’ll start selling pieces off to avoid that historically massive tax bill they face. Might a Jaylon Brown become available? How about bringing Derrick back?

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    Im still on the fence about Fox tbh.

    Meanwhile Im watching the Boston situation. If they ring again this year, i think they’ll start selling pieces off to avoid that historically massive tax bill they face. Might a Jaylon Brown become available? How about bringing Derrick back?
    They'll keep paying the tax as long as the team keeps winning.

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    They'll keep paying the tax as long as the team keeps winning.
    It’s not about the tax, it’s about having your picks pushed automatically to the end of the first round at the end of the tradeability window, and frozen from being traded. Imagine being unable to tank in 2032 when their players are certainly gone because your pick will be #32, post expansion.

    The league realized that owners would pay money like you said, so they decided to severely punish teams in the second apron. It’s the reason Wycke Grousbeck is selling the Celtics.

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    It’s not about the tax, it’s about having your picks pushed automatically to the end of the first round at the end of the tradeability window, and frozen from being traded. Imagine being unable to tank in 2032 when their players are certainly gone because your pick will be #32, post expansion.

    The league realized that owners would pay money like you said, so they decided to severely punish teams in the second apron. It’s the reason Wycke Grousbeck is selling the Celtics.
    Considering how difficult it will be to not just be compe ive, but actually win championship with these new rules, having a few horrible years in order to win is an acceptable loss. Especially for a franchise like Celtics where it doesn't matter if they're a second round exit or the worst team in the league because winning is the only thing that matters.

    With that being said, 25-26 season is the only problematic one, but they'll keep the roster.
    Porzingis is off the books after it and they'll be $20M under the projected 2nd apron for 26-27 season.

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    In reference to Wemby's boardroom ball-dropping moment, I think the All-Star game will give him some chances to play with real talent.
    Eventually, he will call the shots on who he wants to bring in. Perhaps, players will want to come here after this season.

    As much as I'd love to see a move this season, history dissuades me from betting on the Spurs doing anything above a micro-move at the deadline.

    The off-season is where the Spurs are likely to get busy. Gotta say that CP3 and Barnes were great moves in improving this team. I love watching CP3 relentlessly educating these boneheads on how to play. Some faith in the FO has been restored after years of head-scratching moves.

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    Roster is trash, make the one move that can make it fun : Ingram or Zion.
    Define "fun".

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    In reference to Wemby's boardroom ball-dropping moment, I think the All-Star game will give him some chances to play with real talent.
    Eventually, he will call the shots on who he wants to bring in. Perhaps, players will want to come here after this season.

    As much as I'd love to see a move this season, history dissuades me from betting on the Spurs doing anything above a micro-move at the deadline.

    The off-season is where the Spurs are likely to get busy. Gotta say that CP3 and Barnes were great moves in improving this team. I love watching CP3 relentlessly educating these boneheads on how to play. Some faith in the FO has been restored after years of head-scratching moves.
    I don't see much done mid-season. Inhale what they can with CP and HB. They can each still be moved this season, depending on how things are going. Otherwise aim for the draft, see what they get, then know what pieces to try to find.

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    In reference to Wemby's boardroom ball-dropping moment, I think the All-Star game will give him some chances to play with real talent.
    Eventually, he will call the shots on who he wants to bring in. Perhaps, players will want to come here after this season.

    As much as I'd love to see a move this season, history dissuades me from betting on the Spurs doing anything above a micro-move at the deadline.

    The off-season is where the Spurs are likely to get busy. Gotta say that CP3 and Barnes were great moves in improving this team. I love watching CP3 relentlessly educating these boneheads on how to play. Some faith in the FO has been restored after years of head-scratching moves.
    Depending on how you define micro-move, I think this is the right approach anyway. Upgrade the periphery of the 10-man rotation and see what this team can do. We're a play-in contender with the guys we have, I'd just do some "micro-moves" (I've suggested Jonas and Nesmith if those meet the definition) and see where that takes us. Then prepare to be extremely aggressive in the offeseason (before the draft especially, since some of those trade assets are coming due).

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    Depending on how you define micro-move, I think this is the right approach anyway. Upgrade the periphery of the 10-man rotation and see what this team can do. We're a play-in contender with the guys we have, I'd just do some "micro-moves" (I've suggested Jonas and Nesmith if those meet the definition) and see where that takes us. Then prepare to be extremely aggressive in the offeseason (before the draft especially, since some of those trade assets are coming due).
    I'd argue that getting a reliable backup big isn't a micro-move, but a must if we're to actually compete.
    Other positions could be better, but are manageable.
    We legit can't play when Wemby sits.

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    Valanciunas is pretty damn bad at protecting the rim. Given how cheap he is and how bad Zach Collins is, though, he definitely would be an upgrade in every way.

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    They'll keep paying the tax as long as the team keeps winning.
    They will not. In fact the current ownership group is trying to sell high on the team now. Make the tax stuff Bezos or whoever’s problem.

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    Since today was the time I've ever heard the term "micro-move", I'm not going to quibble too much over the definition

    But, I'm going to assume that Devin isn't going anywhere, which means that upgrading back C and adding a competent wing who can play defense (essentially: upgrading Keldon) are the two most impactful moves we can make. Anything short of that won't make much of a difference and anything more than that is probably a bigger move than the FO is interested in at this juncture.

    I liked DFS for a handful of seconds, Don't know if the FO even explored it. Spurs seem to have a list of preferred trading partner teams, and the Nets aren't on the recent list*, so I'm going to assume that this wasn't a move the FO was ever considering.

    *We participated in the 5-team deal that took Westbrook to the Lakers, as did the Nets, but I don't really count that. We did a 3-team deal with them for DeMarre, so maybe there is a lot of bad blood there? Other than that, the only other recent trade was a 2014 deal where they send us cash for whomever the Cory Jefferson was.

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    They will not. In fact the current ownership group is trying to sell high on the team now. Make the tax stuff Bezos or whoever’s problem.
    Celtics as a team will keep paying the tax and that roster will keep competing.
    Players and fans don't care who pays it as long as it's paid. And it will be paid for sure.

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    Spurs fans are like Cowboys fans. They've allowed their own team's cheapness to fool them into thinking that the salary cap rules are some unavoidable boogey man. Other teams can, and will, figure it out when they have to.

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    I would love to trade for Ingram and treat him like an expiring deal. If you can move Keldon + Collins for him (if NO is having a fire sale) and a non-material pick and clear those salaries that would be great.

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    I would love to trade for Ingram and treat him like an expiring deal. If you can move Keldon + Collins for him (if NO is having a fire sale) and a non-material pick and clear those salaries that would be great.
    If NOP is having a fire sale, why would they unload an expiring so that they can add multiple years of Keldon and Collins salary in exchange for a non-material pick?

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    Since today was the time I've ever heard the term "micro-move", I'm not going to quibble too much over the definition

    But, I'm going to assume that Devin isn't going anywhere, which means that upgrading back C and adding a competent wing who can play defense (essentially: upgrading Keldon) are the two most impactful moves we can make. Anything short of that won't make much of a difference and anything more than that is probably a bigger move than the FO is interested in at this juncture.

    I liked DFS for a handful of seconds, Don't know if the FO even explored it. Spurs seem to have a list of preferred trading partner teams, and the Nets aren't on the recent list*, so I'm going to assume that this wasn't a move the FO was ever considering.

    *We participated in the 5-team deal that took Westbrook to the Lakers, as did the Nets, but I don't really count that. We did a 3-team deal with them for DeMarre, so maybe there is a lot of bad blood there? Other than that, the only other recent trade was a 2014 deal where they send us cash for whomever the Cory Jefferson was.
    Why trade for DFS when Harrison and Julian are doing the job just fine? They may be individually better, and DFS is already 31.

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    If NOP is having a fire sale, why would they unload an expiring so that they can add multiple years of Keldon and Collins salary in exchange for a non-material pick?
    Tbh, if their plan is to not tank after this season, Keldon and Collins are two pieces they could think are maybe useful.

    Assuming they get rid of Zion, Ingram and CJ, their rotation would look something like:
    DJ/Hawkins/Murphy/Herb/Missi, with Alvarado as 6th man and no reliable bench pieces.
    Keldon can be the energy guy off the bench and they don't have a backup big.

    If we could get rid of both those contracts and take a flyer on Ingram for like 4 or 5 SRPs, I don't see a reason why not because we have 18 SRPs, probably 20 because CHA FRP won't convey.
    Collins will be an expiring next season, easy to move if they want to and as I said they need a wing off the bench.

    As for Ingram, I really don't like or rate him, but he certainly has the talent and if Spurs could get him to improve his mindset, who knows? If they can't, we got ourselves $35M cap space.

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    The only moves I can see us making is attempting to move Collins and/or Keldon while adding SRP’s to bring in a vet or two who has fallen out of a rotation or is a throw in in another trade. Wouldn’t be surprised if we even took on a tier longer term deal.

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