Spurs trade ideas

[DPG21920]

It's a discussion board. We discuss things.

I'm big enough to admit when I was wrong. Can the same be said about you? You're sticking with Keldon is worth a Top 10 pick, so I'm gonna go with no.

I just said I was wrong - did you miss it? I can quote it for you if you want.

[DPG21920]

Mine was more accurate than yours lmao. This draft was considered very weak. You being concerned and writing a novel about a 20 year old MVP candidate is orders of magnitude more silly.

But also shows we are both wrong at times and you snickering morons aren’t unique or any better

[DPG21920]

Im of the opinion SA should be more open to trading players in trades as the form of compensation vs a lot of picks.

If you don’t think Vassell or Sochan or Keldon are the guys and you can aggregate salary into a better singular player (say Vassell for Fox) I would prefer that vs lesser players (salaries) and volume of picks.

Spurs need to get more talent and and shifting money to better players while still having picks to replenish and take shots at new higher ceiling talent (or for trades down the road) I think is the best option at the moment.

Which is why I would prefer something like Vassell + Keldon + 2 ok-ish picks vs Keldon + Collins + 4-5 firsts

[Degoat]

Spurs are really close to breaking that barrier into the Playoffs, definitely still missing a #2… I wish the spurs would look into it but it’s hard because we’re winning currently and you don’t want to break up the togetherness of the team.

[T Park]

Valanciunas and Cam Johnson can be had pretty easily and quickly right now....

[tbdog]

Just mucking around with trade machine. There is a deal that can be done with Nets/Spurs/Kings. Where Spurs get Cam and Fox. Kings get Johnson, Devin and Russell, and Nets gets picks Lyles and Heuter.

That's a retool Kings package I can see them taking.

[baseline bum]

Valanciunas and Cam Johnson can be had pretty easily and quickly right now....

Cam Johnson is gonna be expensive right now. Guessing Brooklyn wants two unprotected firsts and not willing to do that until we see how available Fox really is.

[baseline bum]

Just mucking around with trade machine. There is a deal that can be done with Nets/Spurs/Kings. Where Spurs get Cam and Fox. Kings get Johnson, Devin and Russell, and Nets gets picks Lyles and Heuter.

That's a retool Kings package I can see them taking.

So Spurs steal two good players and the Kings get ed with no vaseline?

[tbdog]

So Spurs steal two good players and the Kings get ed with no vaseline?

Yeah. Probably not hey.

[T Park]

Cam Johnson is gonna be expensive right now. Guessing Brooklyn wants two unprotected firsts and not willing to do that until we see how available Fox really is.

Fox 100% won't be available till this off season.

Trade them their own pick in 27 and 29. get Valanciunas for one or two of the millions of second round picks they have. match salaries. boom, you've improved the starting 3 and improved the back up center

[DPG21920]

Cam Johnson is gonna be expensive right now. Guessing Brooklyn wants two unprotected firsts and not willing to do that until we see how available Fox really is.

Two unprotected firsts for Cam???? If that ends up being the price I really hope SA doesnt bite.

[objective]

Cam isn't worth 2 firsts, he's just putting up fake high numbers on a bad team like Vassell and Keldon used to. He's an under 15 point per game guy on a real team

[TDMVPDPOY]

wheres the backup center?

[LeBowen]

Cam isn't worth 2 firsts, he's just putting up fake high numbers on a bad team like Vassell and Keldon used to. He's an under 15 point per game guy on a real team

The question is what kind of firsts?
Since contenders are looking at Cam, those picks are mostly in 20s, even in 25-30 range and Nets asking for two of those is fair.
I'm sure they'd take rather take one late lottery pick and a contract that's not a negative instead.

And I agree that he's kind of overrated because there are so few options on the market. But his contract is great and adds to his value.

wheres the backup center?

Our most pressing need and there are no news whatsoever.
Kessler
John Collins
Valanciunas
Olynyk
Vucevic
Capela
Just get of them, we can't make the playoffs with Collins.

Or even take a swing on someone who's not played much this season like Timelord or Tillman, 1:1 trade for Wesley or Branham.

[Davidicus]

I don’t follow the Jazz obviously, but John Collins next to Wemby is intriguing to me. Seems like a good pocket knife type player.



I also feel like Kessler as backup big would be good minutes, an obvious upgrade over Zollins.

It feels like there’s something there with a trade with Utah. J Collins + Kessler + Mills (bring him home PATFO!) for KJ + Zollins works for salaries. If just J Collins, then KJ + Branham work. I’m not sure what picks we’d have to throw in for either trade. Utah is in obvious tanking mode, but wondering who else is fishing for J Collins and Kessler.

[exstatic]

I don’t follow the Jazz obviously, but John Collins next to Wemby is intriguing to me. Seems like a good pocket knife type player.



I also feel like Kessler as backup big would be good minutes, an obvious upgrade over Zollins.

It feels like there’s something there with a trade with Utah. J Collins + Kessler + Mills (bring him home PATFO!) for KJ + Zollins works for salaries. If just J Collins, then KJ + Branham work. I’m not sure what picks we’d have to throw in for either trade. Utah is in obvious tanking mode, but wondering who else is fishing for J Collins and Kessler.

Utah’s asking price JUST FOR KESSLER is two FRPs. No thanks.

[Strategic]

wheres the backup center?

Chris Paul got 8 boards. Maybe he can wear size seventeen shoes. Couldn’t look more clownish than what’s going on now.

[scott]

The question is what kind of firsts?
Since contenders are looking at Cam, those picks are mostly in 20s, even in 25-30 range and Nets asking for two of those is fair.
I'm sure they'd take rather take one late lottery pick and a contract that's not a negative instead.

And I agree that he's kind of overrated because there are so few options on the market. But his contract is great and adds to his value.

One thing to consider as well about the Nets is that timing of picks is going to matter. They already have 3 FRPs from playoff teams (MIL, HOU, NYK) coming this year and aren't going to want another. Apparently that's what made them favor the LAL deal for DFS over MEM, supposedly MEM was offering a lotto protected FRP this year and wanted SRPs coming back, but BKN decided they'd be better off with future LAL SRPs (one of which is conditional).

I do think that there might be a scenario where a play-in fringe playoff team could offer their FPR up, with one of BKN's late FRPs (like the NYK pick) going back, as a way for the Nets to upgrade that pick and even roll the dice on that team not making the playoffs and it turning into a lotto pick. We might be one of those teams that BKN could consider in that boat.

I'm not necessarily even advocating for this deal... as opposed to just suggesting it as possible, but would folks be interested in something like:

SA SENDS: Keldon + Best of CHI/ATL/SA25 + Some SRPS

BKN SENDS: Cam + Worst of HOU/NYK

I actually don't really love Cam Johnson that much and don't have a lot of interest in a late 20s pick in this draft, so I don't think I'm interested... but curious what others think.

I think it probably needs one more future FRP from San Antonio to happen (which even less interested in), but looking at BKN's pick stash, ours doesn't really align well with theirs at all. They have one pick in 26 (as do we, pending CHI), but 4 picks in 27, 4 picks in 28, 4 picks in 29, then 1 pick in 30, and 2 picks in 31.

[Davidicus]

Utah’s asking price JUST FOR KESSLER is two FRPs. No thanks.

Ew. Gotta love Ainge.

[DPG21920]

One thing to consider as well about the Nets is that timing of picks is going to matter. They already have 3 FRPs from playoff teams (MIL, HOU, NYK) coming this year and aren't going to want another. Apparently that's what made them favor the LAL deal for DFS over MEM, supposedly MEM was offering a lotto protected FRP this year and wanted SRPs coming back, but BKN decided they'd be better off with future LAL SRPs (one of which is conditional).

I do think that there might be a scenario where a play-in fringe playoff team could offer their FPR up, with one of BKN's late FRPs (like the NYK pick) going back, as a way for the Nets to upgrade that pick and even roll the dice on that team not making the playoffs and it turning into a lotto pick. We might be one of those teams that BKN could consider in that boat.

I'm not necessarily even advocating for this deal... as opposed to just suggesting it as possible, but would folks be interested in something like:

SA SENDS: Keldon + Best of CHI/ATL/SA25 + Some SRPS

BKN SENDS: Cam + Worst of HOU/NYK

I actually don't really love Cam Johnson that much and don't have a lot of interest in a late 20s pick in this draft, so I don't think I'm interested... but curious what others think.

I think it probably needs one more future FRP from San Antonio to happen (which even less interested in), but looking at BKN's pick stash, ours doesn't really align well with theirs at all. They have one pick in 26 (as do we, pending CHI), but 4 picks in 27, 4 picks in 28, 4 picks in 29, then 1 pick in 30, and 2 picks in 31.

Thats the type of deal I do only if you believe Cam really is a good longer term fit + if they take back a bad salary (Collins). I would do that if it’s Collins + Branham. Im fine using one of the firsts this year because we get one back and from BKY POV, Collins should be attractive since hes one less year than Keldon IMO (despite Keldon being a + player they can move later).

If we can turn Collins/Branham money into Cam, Im willing to do a swap of firsts (late lottery for late 20s) and some seconds. That seems reasonable. Then we also retain Keldon (for another trade or very real depth since hes actually a legit rotation player) to add to our depth vs detract

[LeBowen]

Thats the type of deal I do only if you believe Cam really is a good longer term fit

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

[DPG21920]

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

All fair points and I mostly agree - I think Cam is pretty damn solid, but not amazing, but hes not paid to be amazing. And on court (which is what matters most), assuming cost is reasonable in terms of picks, replacing 2 non-rotation players with another Julian would be a big win overall, especially because the money is mostly net-neutral for 2 years out of the 3 to do so.

But ya, Im not giving 2 lottery firsts for him, but in this other scenario where its trading back 10-14 spots and some 2nds? I think that’s the sweet spot.

[mo7888]

One thing to consider as well about the Nets is that timing of picks is going to matter. They already have 3 FRPs from playoff teams (MIL, HOU, NYK) coming this year and aren't going to want another. Apparently that's what made them favor the LAL deal for DFS over MEM, supposedly MEM was offering a lotto protected FRP this year and wanted SRPs coming back, but BKN decided they'd be better off with future LAL SRPs (one of which is conditional).

I do think that there might be a scenario where a play-in fringe playoff team could offer their FPR up, with one of BKN's late FRPs (like the NYK pick) going back, as a way for the Nets to upgrade that pick and even roll the dice on that team not making the playoffs and it turning into a lotto pick. We might be one of those teams that BKN could consider in that boat.

I'm not necessarily even advocating for this deal... as opposed to just suggesting it as possible, but would folks be interested in something like:

SA SENDS: Keldon + Best of CHI/ATL/SA25 + Some SRPS

BKN SENDS: Cam + Worst of HOU/NYK

I actually don't really love Cam Johnson that much and don't have a lot of interest in a late 20s pick in this draft, so I don't think I'm interested... but curious what others think.

I think it probably needs one more future FRP from San Antonio to happen (which even less interested in), but looking at BKN's pick stash, ours doesn't really align well with theirs at all. They have one pick in 26 (as do we, pending CHI), but 4 picks in 27, 4 picks in 28, 4 picks in 29, then 1 pick in 30, and 2 picks in 31.

I like Cam, and I really like his fit. As for the trade I'm with DPG on this. If we replace keldon with Zollins + Branham or Wesley then I'm good with it and I'd be willing to add the Charlotte faux 1st as a sweetener. If it's Keldon I'd keep the Charlotte pick and give them the lesser of our pick or Atlanta's

[DPG21920]

Notable on many fronts. Would appear SAC is trying to win still if true (Fox implications) and if OKC is involved, easy to see price getting driven up some?

[CGD]

Cam is obviously a good fit, it's just that the question presents itself if he's worth it and is such a one-dimensional player what we need.

To put things into perspective, Cam's last season before he got the ultimate green light:
13.4/4.3/2.4 on 44/39/79, 27mpg.
Champagnie this season:
12/4.7/1.3 on 43/37/90, 27mpg.

Now obviously Champagnie is the ultimate bargain, but is Cam worth it when we got not that much worse version of Cam at home?
I'm the first one to say that we need another great 3-D wing with size, but the more I think about it, the more I'm certain we need a legit offensive weapon instead of someone one-dimensional.

It all comes down to the point guard situation. If we're getting Fox or someone similar who can score with ease, then Cam is what we need.
But if we go for a steady presence until Castle matures, then I'd rather have a higher level scorer like Markkanen (not specifically him, but you get the point) than Cam.

All the Cam Johnson nut riders should read the first part of your post. Basically, at Champs current production, familiarity with the team, fact he's younger, and on a better deal, the Spurs would basically be re ed to give up any real value for Cam Johnson.