I think a lot of this is Butler wanting an extension and Miami wanting him to decline that gargantuan player option to go elsewhere. I think you're right.
Butler already said this summer he knows he isn’t getting near that extension elsewhere. I’d trade Vassell, Tre Jones and a couple of FRPs (ours 2025, 2027) if he was to commit to 2yrs/80mm. I still think there is a slight chance someone will give him 2yrs 90-100m.
Get Butler and make a move for Lavine if they just want off him - Keldon, Zollins, Branham CHI 2025 FRP. Suddenly we are a deep playoff team if healthy.
I’d rather have 85mm tied up in LavineButler for a few years than Zollins/Vassell/Keldon/Branham/Barnes
Butler makes 0 sense here. I just hope Miami gets a good enough return to stay in front of the Hawks
Butler situation is near-impossible to figure out because Heat obviously doesn't want any bad contracts that aren't expiring and whoever gets Butler doesn't want to trade 3 rotation players for him.
Not to mention that he isn't certain to stay wherever he goes, noone is going to offer FRPs for a 35 year old.
I think they will, they just won’t be that good - projected late FRPs or protected. The complication is that the Heat aren’t tanking while the buyer is also looking to win now.
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Heat are at $191M for the next season with Jimmy's contract. Assuming they get the same salary back, it's not worth it for them unless they get legit players.
Cap will be at $155M and they'd rather be $15M under it without Jimmy's contract to keep their flexibility.
CP3, Lavine and Butler won't even last the first round before tearing a ligament.
It is a risk and their injury history is reflected in the price. Vassell isn’t exactly an ironman himself.
What’s wrong with vanvleet
Don't see PATFO giving up assets for 35 yo Jimmy Butler tbh. Think they're much more inclined to go all-in on Fox if the Kings don't turn it around this season, or even give up those assets for KD after the Suns inevitably miss the Playoffs or lose in the 1st Round and decide to blow it up.
Jimmy to the Spurs is interesting to think about because he tends to be really good early on with a new team. But it likely isn't worth the high salary demands and potential locker room headaches.
A 35 yr old Butler with 50 mill on the books next year aint worth a single premium asset.
I think most teams are thinking along the same lines. So the Heat are gonna have to settle for a ton of 2nd rd picks, scrubs with expiring and a heavily protected 1st rd pick tossed in.
OKC ain’t in’ around. Already the 1-seed and heavy favorites to come out of the West. And they have ungodly amounts of draft capital to make it happen.
Presti learned from his own mistakes, sitting on those assets for too long will backfire.
They're a top3 team in the league, they can win it all this year and he wants to maximize their chances before those max extensions kick in.
Cam Johnson out for next 3 games, he's probably gone.
It's probably going to be Isaiah Joe, Ousmane Dieng and 2 FRPs for Cam.
No Jimmy please
Sochan will fall into the Zollin/Dev/KJ catagory of player once he get paid 18-20M a season. That's why I would shop him next summer with his trade value peaking and maybe draft a PF and hit the reset button at that spot.
If Fox doesnt hit the market I'd love to offer Sochan and Dev plus picks for Zion.
Wait, what????
If you offered just Devin alone for Zion they'd accept before you have the time to hang up.
Zion is worthless and useless.
So, a net of 5 FRPs for Cam, since they spent 3 on Dieng already. Yeah, Presti really sits on those picks.
Why do you always have to be that guy?
He used to sit on picks and realized he had a hoarding problem. Now he's using them at will.
And since you always have to be a smartass, here are the picks OKC gave up for Dieng.
Denver's pick conveyed in 2023, was #27 selection. Ended up with the Hornets and they picked Nick Smith Jr.2023 picks that were sent to New York from OKC are protected:
Washington- top 14
Denver- top 14
Detroit-top 18
Knicks still haven't had those other two convey, DET is top13 protected and WAS is top10 protected this year.
Meaning OKC effectively traded two picks that won't convey and 2023 #27 for 2022 #11.
So much for your need to always be a smartass.
Presti obviously failed with that pick, but it's not like he gave up anything valuable to take a swing on a player he liked.
Thunder in a spot where their roster is about to get really expensive. Their needs are so specific that using draft picks won't solve what they need. One of their big issues right now is that they're not really a great shooting team and Cam Johnson might help, if it translates. Their biggest advantage is the West is wide open.
Cam Johnson feels much more like the finishing touch to a team that an integral part of a core. Makes more sense for OKC than us, especially if the ask really is 2 FRP
Okc is going to be very expensive very soon… not sure what the play is with Cam. Keep him thru his contract and hope for S&T? I wouldn’t imagine him being re-signed
Hot take, but I think that they could trade Chet if they make the finals or win it all this year.
They can't pay both him and Williams, they're 18-1 with Hartenstein and Chet is still very valuable.
Offering a max to a 23 year old who missed 2 of his 3 seasons with injuries caused by his fragile frame would be a big risk.
If Presti brings a le to OKC, I don't think he's going to be losing any sleep over whether he gave up too many picks for Osmane Dieng.
It's the fallacy of being so concerned about winning every trade. At the end of the day, the goal (for most franchises) is to win on the court, not to win trades. For example, if the Spurs only got one FRP for Dejounte instead of 3 (one being the CHA) plus a swap, it still would have been a massive W because it facilitated the main goal, which was landing Wemby.
If Presti wins a le, he'll have accomplished the goal. I'm sure some fans of the Kings or Hornets or Jazz or any other loser franchise will sit around and contemplate how Masi couldn't keep Kawhi or some bull , but they let you hang the banner and keep the trophy forever... who ing cares if you missed out on picking another Malaki Branham as a result.
Detroit is at #12 now and falling. That pick may well convey this year, late lottery. WSH protection drops to 1-8 next year.
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