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    Having a legit backup for Vic would help but we gave Collins 17 mill a season when he probably only would’ve gotten a vet min from any other team. But yea, the only way Vic is going to get the wind up to play 8 min stretches is by playing 8 min stretches, even if it’s uncomfortable.

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    It really doesn't. It's been happening every single game.
    We have a development coach in charge of the team and he doesn't have the authority to make any significant changes.
    If Collins didn't flip off the ref, he would've never gotten any DNPs.

    Outcoached by ing Billy Donovan.
    just like his mentor

    Him playing the Tre Jones/Castle/Champagnie/Keldon/Wemby line up for way too long in the 3rd, while having no spacing cause you're playing 3 non-shooters is what really pissed me off

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    I just wonder if there's a single respectable sports journalist in San Antonio, I'm sick of these generic interviews.
    Can someone just ask a simple question why is our best shooter sitting in the clutch while we make it easier for opponents by playing non-shooters and players out of rythm?
    Is the goal to actually win games or?

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    On the bright side, at least it's not Pop out there
    Such a smart move from Pop to leave Mitch some time so everybody misses him...

    This rookie coach experiment needs to stop asap smh

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    I just wonder if there's a single respectable sports journalist in San Antonio, I'm sick of these generic interviews.
    Can someone just ask a simple question why is our best shooter sitting in the clutch while we make it easier for opponents by playing non-shooters and players out of rythm?
    Is the goal to actually win games or?

    Nah, those guys are the OG Sniffers

    Also Sochan, who should never be on the court in the clutch, is the definition of a taboo topic among Spurs fans and observers. Fascinating coping mechanism to justify having to deal with his low IQ and massive limitations for a once in a while good defensive performance... smh

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    You know there will never be videos breaking down the innovations and standout features of the Mitch Johnson offense like what happens with Memphis assistants Tuomas Iisalo or Noah LaRoche.

    And what's sad is that while the Spurs have spent years being unable or unwilling to get noteworthy and forward thinking assistants the Grizzlies went out and got 2 up and comers. Meanwhile Pop would forget to hire anyone, be forced to elevate the Austin coach Nielsen because the season was around the corner, cajole Duncan into a favor season, and of course promote Mitch from the Austin bench.

    According to the video this past week talking up Iilaso, Splitter has kept up his schemes with some mods, maybe he can our hope for the future, he does pass the 'family' test that might fool them into keeping Mitch. As long as Tiago doesn't teach Wemby the waist high brick shot release.

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    You know there will never be videos breaking down the innovations and standout features of the Mitch Johnson offense like what happens with Memphis assistants Tuomas Iisalo or Noah LaRoche.

    And what's sad is that while the Spurs have spent years being unable or unwilling to get noteworthy and forward thinking assistants the Grizzlies went out and got 2 up and comers. Meanwhile Pop would forget to hire anyone, be forced to elevate the Austin coach Nielsen because the season was around the corner, cajole Duncan into a favor season, and of course promote Mitch from the Austin bench.

    According to the video this past week talking up Iilaso, Splitter has kept up his schemes with some mods, maybe he can our hope for the future, he does pass the 'family' test that might fool them into keeping Mitch. As long as Tiago doesn't teach Wemby the waist high brick shot release.
    Where did those Memphis assistants used to work before being hired by the Grizzlies? I'll have to check out some videos of them. Did Tiago work one of them at a previous spot/team?

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    Where did those Memphis assistants used to work before being hired by the Grizzlies? I'll have to check out some videos of them. Did Tiago work one of them at a previous spot/team?
    We know Jenkins, Toros and then Bud's assistant in Atlanta and Milwaukee.
    Anthony Carter went around, Toros, Kings, Heat player developmenta and finally Grizzlies.
    Erik Schmidt is your usual video room guy who makes it.
    Noah LaRoche is player development, interesting read: https://www.integrityhoops.com/integrity-hoops
    Tuomas Iisalo looks like an offense genius, he won Eurocup and Champions League in back to back seasons with a mediocre team and analytics. Heavily relied on 3pt shooting.
    Pat St. Andrews was on Bud's Atlanta and Milwaukee staff, followed Jenkins when he left for Milwaukee.
    Jason March is a Grizzlies scout tuned coach.
    Joe Boylan went around. Boston, GSW, Kings, NOLA, Memphi.
    Patrick Mutombo isn't related to Dikembe, also went around. Toros, Nuggets, Raptors, Suns, Bucks, Grizzlies.

    The biggest name is Iisalo, Finnish guy and LaRoche player development coach.

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    I just wonder if there's a single respectable sports journalist in San Antonio, I'm sick of these generic interviews.
    Can someone just ask a simple question why is our best shooter sitting in the clutch while we make it easier for opponents by playing non-shooters and players out of rythm?
    Is the goal to actually win games or?
    The goal is “development” but we aren’t seeing much of that either. I’d much rather tank for a top 5 pick than finish with the 13th seed. Next 5 games are murder too

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    The goal is “development” but we aren’t seeing much of that either. I’d much rather tank for a top 5 pick than finish with the 13th seed. Next 5 games are murder too
    As I said last night, there are no growing pains to be had if 5th and 6th year players are the main reason for our losses.
    I'd gladly eat some losses if Castle was the one playing through mistakes. Instead both him and Champagnie are behind Devin, Jeremy and Keldon no matter what they do.

    There's a pattern with those three. Last season they were sat in order to get a beter draft position, but the was no difference whatsoever between them and Wesley, Champagnie, Mamu who took their roles, we were .500 in the final stretch of the season, played almost all those games against good teams.

    We start the season with those net negatives injured and do really well, they come back and look what's happening.
    I just don't understand what's the point? Keldon certainly isn't going to raise his value and killing Jeremy's confidence by having him shoot potential game winners from 3pt over and over again isn't doing much, either.
    Especially while you have a great shooter who always does well on the bench, but you also kill his confidence by sitting him down in favor of non-shooters no matter how well he plays.

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    As I said last night, there are no growing pains to be had if 5th and 6th year players are the main reason for our losses.
    I'd gladly eat some losses if Castle was the one playing through mistakes. Instead both him and Champagnie are behind Devin, Jeremy and Keldon no matter what they do.

    There's a pattern with those three. Last season they were sat in order to get a beter draft position, but the was no difference whatsoever between them and Wesley, Champagnie, Mamu who took their roles, we were .500 in the final stretch of the season, played almost all those games against good teams.

    We start the season with those net negatives injured and do really well, they come back and look what's happening.
    I just don't understand what's the point? Keldon certainly isn't going to raise his value and killing Jeremy's confidence by having him shoot potential game winners from 3pt over and over again isn't doing much, either.
    Especially while you have a great shooter who always does well on the bench, but you also kill his confidence by sitting him down in favor of non-shooters no matter how well he plays.
    JFC what an indictment of our horrible coaching staff.

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    JFC what an indictment of our horrible coaching staff.
    I honestly can't say if it's just the coaching staff anymore or orders from higher ups who has to play?
    I think Mitch has no business being the head coach, but if the most casual fans can see that having Jeremy out there in the clutch isn't a good idea, I'm pretty sure everyone on the bench knows it, they all have eyes and way more basketball knowledge than we do.

    This "family values" way of running the franchise is killing us.
    Donovan benched Vucevic last night because was useless against Wemby.
    Finch is regularly benching Gobert and playing Reid/Randle duo when the matchup requires it. Those are oldest and highest earners on their team.
    Meanwhile we're still stuck with charity cases doing whatever they want.
    Players aren't that smart, if the coaching staff allows Keldon and Devin to do whatever they want, they'll start thinking it's actually the right thing to do and keep doing it.
    We got two of CP3/Tre/Castle/Devin on the floor at all times and yet Keldon will often bring the ball up and initiate sets. Waste of 10 seconds. Just why? What the are they thinking?

    The only way out of this is for Wemby to give them a wakeup call. He obviously sees which teammates are huge negatives and hard to play with.

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    Where did those Memphis assistants used to work before being hired by the Grizzlies? I'll have to check out some videos of them. Did Tiago work one of them at a previous spot/team?
    Iisalo was Paris head coach, Tiago took his place after Iisalo was hired in Memphis but hadn't coached under him, yet still allegedly kept some of his stuff.

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    Mitch was actually doing decent stuff the first few weeks, then strangely the entire rotation and some of the obvious problematic plays came back, bringing back issues so obvious that we can see them. Not sure what’s going on.

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    Mitch was actually doing decent stuff the first few weeks, then strangely the entire rotation and some of the obvious problematic plays came back, bringing back issues so obvious that we can see them. Not sure what’s going on.
    Halfbrain calls five times a day. Since he gets credit for the wins and losses, Mitch has to listen.

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    JFC what an indictment of our horrible coaching staff.
    You, LeBowen, and everyone else who points out these very obvious things just need to be patient. We just don't understand the big picture. The Spurs are doing something, we just don't see it.

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    You, LeBowen, and everyone else who points out these very obvious things just need to be patient. We just don't understand the big picture. The Spurs are doing something, we just don't see it.

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    I honestly can't say if it's just the coaching staff anymore or orders from higher ups who has to play?
    I think Mitch has no business being the head coach, but if the most casual fans can see that having Jeremy out there in the clutch isn't a good idea, I'm pretty sure everyone on the bench knows it, they all have eyes and way more basketball knowledge than we do.
    people have said this since the Bryn Forbes era began. There's something deeply wrong with this organisation. The Spurs have been ran like a charity case developmental program for years now and not like an actual basketball franchise. I said this 5 years ago and it's still true. They need to swap out all the old heads everywhere in the organisation and bring in new blood. Pop's former assistant coaches are for the most part better coaches than him at this point, meanwhile his assistans on the Spurs are still clueless followers.

    Too much corporate knowledge walked out the door for better jobs elsewhere in the NBA and now the Spurs are stuck in the mud. Hire people with high skillsets instead of trying to develop the janitor into an assistant coach like we've been doing for years.

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    people have said this since the Bryn Forbes era began. There's something deeply wrong with this organisation. The Spurs have been ran like a charity case developmental program for years now and not like an actual basketball franchise. I said this 5 years ago and it's still true. They need to swap out all the old heads everywhere in the organisation and bring in new blood. Pop's former assistant coaches are for the most part better coaches than him at this point, meanwhile his assistans on the Spurs are still clueless followers.

    Too much corporate knowledge walked out the door for better jobs elsewhere in the NBA and now the Spurs are stuck in the mud. Hire people with high skillsets instead of trying to develop the janitor into an assistant coach like we've been doing for years.
    100%

    They don't even know what they're doing when picking up options or doing extensions. They picked up useless options on Branham and Wesley, but never forget they picked up the option for cement shoe low talent fraud Josh Primo AFTER they knew about his repeated exposure issues with team employees, only for him to get caught out for it just 2 weeks after the option. Clowns.

    And this was after a year plus of slobbering praise of the glacial unremarkable Primo as THE FUTURE of the franchise when he couldn't even penetrate the three point line without a screen.

    And he's had chances with teams since then ... And done nothing. Shouldn't a franchise player like Primo made a triumphant comeback by now with all that talent the Spurs swear they saw in him?

    I really think they don't know what's happening at all and anything good is an accident of cir stance. Pop was sniffling, teary eyed on the verge of a breakdown over the idea of losing Bryn The Good Citizen Forbes to another team for more money only for the rest of the league to immediately know his limitations and never pay him much of anything, lol.

    They jumped a gun HARD on extending Zollins only for him to be unplayable garbage who routinely loses minutes to an undersized minimum guy with multiple severe leg injuries of his own.

    Giving Mitch an undeserved head coach extension without even looking at the rest of any credible candidates would be the Spurs thing to do.

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    Mitch seemed to start out well, but in hindsight his hot start coincided with Sochan missing time. Sochan’s low IQ, bad shooting brand of BB is killing the Spurs.

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    Mitch was actually doing decent stuff the first few weeks, then strangely the entire rotation and some of the obvious problematic plays came back, bringing back issues so obvious that we can see them. Not sure what’s going on.
    I'm back, es!

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    I don’t see brilliance on Mitch tbh. He’s just going through motion and not doing anything special to win. The last few losses were obviously bad coaching decisions down the stretch. If he cannot ante up in the 4th, it’d be worst in a 7-game series.

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    Reading so many posters who were praising Mitch no later than a couple of weeks ago, qualifying him as "legit" to take over the job () and recently doing a U-turn is what makes ST so fun tbh.

    The same is slowly but surely happening about Sochan btw

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    Reading so many posters who were praising Mitch no later than a couple of weeks ago, qualifying him as "legit" to take over the job () and recently doing a U-turn is what makes ST so fun tbh.

    The same is slowly but surely happening about Sochan btw
    I'm pretty sure the coaching style changes coincided with Pop's statement 3 weeks ago about his status (and excitement about coming back to the bench)

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    I'm pretty sure the coaching style changes coincided with Pop's statement 3 weeks ago about his status (and excitement about coming back to the bench)
    It coincided with injured players coming back.
    Mitch started off well, did the reasonable thing of removing Collins and we thought that we're only going to get better when Devin and Jeremy return.
    But it turns out that Castle/Champagnie are better than those two and Mitch doesn't have the authority to remove Devin adn Jeremy from the starting lineup. He's not blind, he sees we're way worse with those two, but for some reason isn't making the obvious decision.

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