Spurs trade ideas

[Joseph Kony]

But yeah Beal, especially at his salary, especially with his NTC, and especially with his injury history. Vassell has been ass but I'd keep him any day over trading for that bum in Phoenix

[scott]

But yeah Beal, especially at his salary, especially with his NTC, and especially with his injury history. Vassell has been ass but I'd keep him any day over trading for that bum in Phoenix

First time you'll see me coming to stan for Devin Vassell, but I 100% agree with this.

[baseline bum]

I'm down so bad that I even thought about the feasibility of taking on Beal if we can get 2 unprotected FRPs for it while getting rid of Collins and Keldon in the process.

Ouch so we can have a second Vassell except this one also gets paid like Kobe in addition to believing he's Kobe. Alas 20131 is their first pick they can trade so not happening.

[Bruno]

For sure - Im not against it for those same reasons you listed if it were to happen, but just more saying that its pointless overall and I really hope SA can get more creative than that and shift gears into improving the team.

I would much rather SA use a lot of 2nds to dump Collins for example than to do a trade like Nurk. Im fine burning some capital if it means it helps SA (either on court or cap wise to reallocate funds more effectively)

Speaking of 2nd round picks, Spurs will face a crazy situation in 2026. Hornets first round pick won't convey this year, so Spurs will have 5 second round picks in 2026:
- Jazz pick
- Hornets pick
- Worst of Pelicans and Blazers pick
- Best between Spurs pick and worst of Pacers/Heat pick
- Worst of Thunder, Mavs and Sixers.

The last pick is trash but the 4 others are good second round picks. Spurs can't stand pat with all these picks and the more they wait, the less value they will get from these picks because other teams will use the fact that Spurs can't keep all of them.

[DPG21920]

It's not just his injury history, it's his ungodly salary. And he's not worth even remotely that.

What do you care if 50M is being paid to Beal or Collins+Branham+Wesely+Barnes? 3 of those 4 guys aren’t even rotation players anyways.

[DPG21920]

Speaking of 2nd round picks, Spurs will face a crazy situation in 2026. Hornets first round pick won't convey this year, so Spurs will have 5 second round picks in 2026:
- Jazz pick
- Hornets pick
- Worst of Pelicans and Blazers pick
- Best between Spurs pick and worst of Pacers/Heat pick
- Worst of Thunder, Mavs and Sixers.

The last pick is trash but the 4 others are good second round picks. Spurs can't stand pat with all these picks and the more they wait, the less value they will get from these picks because other teams will use the fact that Spurs can't keep all of them.

Yup! Which is why I think a really good use case for them is using them to rid themselves of mistake contracts (like Collins) to free up flexibility now.

[baseline bum]

What do you care if 50M is being paid to Beal or Collins+Branham+Wesely+Barnes? 3 of those 4 guys aren’t even rotation players anyways.

Collins, Branham, Wesley, and Barnes could be traded.

[Seventyniner]

A second apron question:

The Suns own their own 20131 pick outright at the moment. They owe a swap in 2030 but they will still get a first of some sort that year, so they are allowed to trade their 20131 first (unprotected if they want) and not violate the Stepien Rule.

But if they stay over the second apron long enough, their 20131 pick gets frozen and sent to the end of the first round. If they trade that pick to another team, does it still get frozen for the acquiring team? Or if they trade a swap on that pick, does the freezing and sending to #30 effectively extinguish the swap? If so, that makes staying above the second apron even worse because other teams won't necessarily be willing to risk getting a #30 pick (or worse, a worthless swap) several years down the road.

[Mr. Body]

What do you care if 50M is being paid to Beal or Collins+Branham+Wesely+Barnes? 3 of those 4 guys aren’t even rotation players anyways.

Beal's contract is way, waaaay longer than theirs?

It's a massive brick of a contract. If you do an unbelievably stupid thing and consolidated all their contracts into his, then you'd have to fill the rest of the roster, costing you overall more.

Do you stop to think before you post?

[Seventyniner]

Collins, Branham, Wesley, and Barnes could be traded.

This. That amount of salary is far easier to move in chunks than all at once.

Tying up all that money in Beal would only create roster spots. Perhaps the Spurs will need some with all the firsts and seconds coming in the 2025 and 2026 drafts, but there are far better ways to make roster spots than trading for Beal.

[DPG21920]

I dont love Beal and I would rather have Lavine all else being equal, Im just trying to illustrate some “low” risk (theres risk with Beal and Lavine types due to their 3rd year large salaries) moves to try and rid ourselves of guys like Collins/Branham/Blake while not giving up picks (or legit picks) to do so and maybe improving the team this season and next for similar money.


But the risk comes from that third year. If it were just remotely even money for next season its a no brainer but Lavine/Beal having a year beyond Collins/Barnes/Blake/Branham is what makes it so tough especially if you have plans for FA that year (and you dont think you can reasonably move them as expiring one year deals at that point).

Thats why Im most interested in Brandon Ingram. He’s a legit expiring so if SA can use Collins + Barnes or something like that and clear their salaries this upcoming season while getting a look at Ingram with little to no risk (treat him like an expiring deal) then its a win/win.

Not sure what it would take but I would probably do 5 2nds or a lotto protected first to salary dump Collins/Barnes for Ingram

[DPG21920]

Beal's contract is way, waaaay longer than theirs?

It's a massive brick of a contract. If you do an unbelievably stupid thing and consolidated all their contracts into his, then you'd have to fill the rest of the roster, costing you overall more.

Do you stop to think before you post?

It’s one year longer. It’s not nothing and I pointed out that’s the risk, but let’s be clear. It’s one year difference. So for this season and next, that money is pretty much break even. It’s the one extra year from Beal not “wayyyyy” longer.

[DPG21920]

Collins, Branham, Wesley, and Barnes could be traded.

Possibly but for what? What value do 3 non-rotation players have to other teams?

[baseline bum]

You have to think about this right?

SAS: Beal + 32FRP
PHX: Dev + Collins

If their offer was

SAS: Beal + 20131 FRP (they can't trade the 32 FRP)
PHX: Keldon + Collins + Branham + Cissoko

I'd still hang up the ing phone while laughing into it

[baseline bum]

Possibly but for what? What value do 3 non-rotation players have to other teams?

They'd be throw-ins for matching salary. Beal would just be an anchor around the team's neck.

[DPG21920]

Beal's contract is way, waaaay longer than theirs?

It's a massive brick of a contract. If you do an unbelievably stupid thing and consolidated all their contracts into his, then you'd have to fill the rest of the roster, costing you overall more.

Do you stop to think before you post?

And while the roster spot thing is true, you aren’t actually needing anything. You can sign 2 min guys and that takes care of the issue at no extra cost. You would be replacing 3 guys who never should play and rarely do (Collins/Branham/Blake) with 2 min deal guys who dont add any real cost.

You are swapping Barnes with Beal here so its really no different roster/cost wise other than that third year (which I agree is a serious variable but its not waaaaaayyyyy longer)

[Bruno]

A second apron question:

The Suns own their own 20131 pick outright at the moment. They owe a swap in 2030 but they will still get a first of some sort that year, so they are allowed to trade their 20131 first (unprotected if they want) and not violate the Stepien Rule.

But if they stay over the second apron long enough, their 20131 pick gets frozen and sent to the end of the first round. If they trade that pick to another team, does it still get frozen for the acquiring team? Or if they trade a swap on that pick, does the freezing and sending to #30 effectively extinguish the swap? If so, that makes staying above the second apron even worse because other teams won't necessarily be willing to risk getting a #30 pick (or worse, a worthless swap) several years down the road.

It's the 2032 pick that will be frozen. Once a pick is frozen, it can't be traded.

[DPG21920]

They'd be throw-ins for matching salary. Beal would just be an anchor around the team's neck.

Sure, if that’s the case then by all means. Beal and Lavine deals are not my priority. If you can actually use Collins + Branham + Blake as throw ins for legit upgrades by all means do so. Im skeptical that’s the case however at least without Spurs also having to include very real valuable picks too.

Maybe it’s still worth it depending on the player and Im fine using multiple firsts to get a legit star. I just dont know that one is available for SA that’s worth it then you have to shift to the other type of deals to see if the risk is worth the reward IMO

[baseline bum]

But the risk comes from that third year. If it were just remotely even money for next season its a no brainer but Lavine/Beal having a year beyond Collins/Barnes/Blake/Branham is what makes it so tough especially if you have plans for FA that year (and you dont think you can reasonably move them as expiring one year deals at that point).

The risk comes from being unable to trade him. Collins, Barnes, Wesley, Branham all have some value in that if the Spurs want to cash in some of their picks for a disgruntled star then a couple of them will be very useful for hitting matching salaries while Beal and his no trade clause are absolutely useless and could very well cost the Spurs the ability to do that kind of trade. All for the chance to pay $150 million to a defensive sieve China doll who is barely league average offensively when he can get on the floor.

[scott]

A second apron question:

The Suns own their own 20131 pick outright at the moment. They owe a swap in 2030 but they will still get a first of some sort that year, so they are allowed to trade their 20131 first (unprotected if they want) and not violate the Stepien Rule.

But if they stay over the second apron long enough, their 20131 pick gets frozen and sent to the end of the first round. If they trade that pick to another team, does it still get frozen for the acquiring team? Or if they trade a swap on that pick, does the freezing and sending to #30 effectively extinguish the swap? If so, that makes staying above the second apron even worse because other teams won't necessarily be willing to risk getting a #30 pick (or worse, a worthless swap) several years down the road.

My understanding was that a second apron team could not trade a FRP 7 years in the future. That would mean that PHX, MIN, BOS and MIL cannot trade their 2032 FRP if they finish the year over the 2nd apron. The "move to the end of the round" penalty only comes into play when you are over the 2nd apron two times in a four year stretch, so before the pick gets moved to the end of the round, it will already have been frozen from a trade, precluding the scenario you describe.

[DPG21920]

The risk comes from being unable to trade him. Collins, Barnes, Wesley, Branham all have some value in that if the Spurs want to cash in some of their picks for a disgruntled star then a couple of them will be very useful for hitting matching salaries while Beal and his no trade clause are absolutely useless and could very well cost the Spurs the ability to do that kind of trade. All for the chance to pay $150 million to a defensive sieve China doll who is barely league average offensively when he can get on the floor.

Wouldn’t Beal waiving his NTC to get to SA negate that NTC? And when it comes to money, the year that’s different than Collins/Branham/Barnes etc…he would be a fully expiring 57M deal at least. Could you attach a pick or something to get a team to take him on as an expiring then (might not be able to offset all his salary but maybe half?)

[scott]

Barnes isn't even considered a rotation player for other teams now? What does that make Vassell and Keldon?

[DPG21920]

Barnes isn't even considered a rotation player for other teams now? What does that make Vassell and Keldon?

I didnt say Barnes was not a rotation player? I said Collins/Branham/Blake weren’t

[DPG21920]

It's the 2032 pick that will be frozen. Once a pick is frozen, it can't be traded.

If Beal waives his NTC, is that the end of it? Or would it still be applied to the next team as well for remainder of his deal?

[scott]

Let's think through this a little more.

So you take on Beal for Barnes, Collins, Wesley and Branham.

You've now lost 28mpg at the wing, a position you're already thin at and having to play Keldon 25mpg while having Jeremy miss 40% of the games so far this season. On the plus side... I guess we'll get those fun Mamu minutes.

On the other hand, Beal averages 33mpg. Where are those coming from? Vassell's 29mpg or Castle's 25mpg? Why would we want to supplant either one of those guy's minutes with Beal?

One could say that some of Castle's displaced minutes could then absorb all of Tre's minutes, but it seems clear to me that the Spurs are not using and do not see Castle as a lead PG. Only 179 of Castle's 886 (20%) have come as the solo PG on the floor. It seems obvious to me that they view Castle as a secondary ball handling SG/occasional SF.

Ignoring the Barnes piece, Beal doesn't make any sense if you have ANY hope for Vassell or Castle. Even if you didn't have much faith in Vassell (which I do not), there are better ways to upgrade his minutes.