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FWIW, IMO Franz is the holy grail of the 3rd star that you put between Fox/Wemby. Like I'd rather have him over Ant all things considered tbh.
If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?
FWIW, IMO Franz is the holy grail of the 3rd star that you put between Fox/Wemby. Like I'd rather have him over Ant all things considered tbh.
The Hawks have lost 9 of 10 since that post, and needed a Trae buzzer beater to win the other one. I take no credit for the reverse jinx, but I will gladly look stupid if it is what is best for the Spurs!
as long as Trae agrees to longterm deal. I think Dfox and Trae could be what cavs have with their two midgets flourishing. Garland and Mitc both 6'3 and shorter. Except Trae and Fox better
No. Why would we want him with Fox, a superior player, already on board? Trae has been putting up some great counting stats, and they’re still 1-9 in their last 10, and that was before strip mining their team today. What a Trae does doesn’t lead to wins. A number of his efficiency stats are the worst of his career or the worst since his rookie year.
Nah... there is no longer a place on this roster for Trae Young (if there even was one to begin with). Best case scenario would be the third team to facilitate and get a big name that fits better back.
I don't see how Franz would fit in a lineup with Fox, Castle and Wemby. You'd basically be re-creating all the issues that ORL has with their very good young core and the lack of shooting. I like Franz a lot, but I'm not seeing the fit?
It's a fair point. A) I'd move Castle if needed to get Franz B) I'm irrationally high on Fox/Wemby both becoming plus shooters playing off each other.
Franz "1-15 in elimination game" Wagner.
I don't want any more max contracts. If we can get Murphy, it would be amazing because of his contract.
Other than that, just get two high ends starters and stack the bench with positive contributors.
Wow, hawks just tanked with Spurs having their 1st. WOW
I really dont get the “ATL tanked” crowd? The only rotation player they lost was Hunter and the gained LeVert, Mann and Niang to replace him. I really dont think that makes Hawks that much worse but we will see..
I agree. I don't think they've tanked with all these moves.
All I need is some super-luck to get Flagg and then the Spurs can round out their squad with some savvy veterans around Wemby-Fox-Flagg.
You sure about that?
If the Spurs get involved and give the ATL swap and/or pick back, Spurs get to decide their value. If they don't ATL likely trades Trae for a comparable All-NBA guy and trend-mills, they'd have every incentive to do that instead of full rebuild with Spurs controlling '26 and owning '27. The ATL roster is solid for the East, they just need health to be a borderline Top 6 team and turn those golden ticket ATL picks into an unused swap and a #15.
Even with the cap, Min's prolly not moving off Ant until he asks out, but stranger things have happen (See: Luka 2 days ago) especially if you can get Utah involved.
Phx's window is shut, cap is ed, and Booker is 29 in Oct. Far from untouchable, he's a 2 time All-NBA guy over 10 years. It's not 2022 anymore.
Trae is maybe a big enough piece to get a Booker, get guys like Castle, Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson (if Hawks go full rebuild, prolly would) +multiple picks are also in the mix a next level star may open up.
Vassell and Sochan may have a lot more valuable come June, not centerpiece value, but make potential young add-ons to rebuild/retool.
I'd be very interested in one or both of Daniels or Johnson, go all-Defense everywhere. Rockets have the Phx picks, right? They have a ton of young interesting but lack a #1, a 27 y/o Trae would be a huge upgrade over a 31.5 y/o VanVleet.
And if everything goes right for us, something like a Top 3 '25 from us and Castle to someone, and 26' & 27' to ATL is a very solid foundation to go get a legit All-NBA guy in a multi-team trade.
And I'd take all ATL calls if it'd get us an elite role player, especially a young one with potential to turn into a true star.
Yeah it's just trimming salary. Hunter was a bench guy when they were healthy anyway.
Okay, I'm starting to understand you.
You wouldn't trade a single '25 pick for a 26y/o 3x All-Star, with a 25.3/9.7/3.2/1.3 line, the NBA assist leader, who hasn't peaked yet?
You know you could trade Trae again, right?
You are bad at asset valuation, and clearly over value picks vs prime All-Stars.
I take Fox over Trae too, but I'm happy to turn 1 1st into many to build assets and add pieces around the best player in the league for the next decade+.
Hunter was a bench guy but also second leading scorer at 19 Jalen Johnson third at 18.9 out for the season and Bog gone also
Not quite tanking, but probably worse off short term. Improved long term flexibility
Yes,I’m sure. ATL has been shopping Trae the last two summers, and has rolled snakeyes, and that was during a period where FRPs were flying off the shelves. This trade season had Luka and Jimmy go for one FRP, each. They’re not going to re-stock their draft picks, and they’re not getting an All Star or AllNBA player in return,because they’ll be under the gun this summer, as Trae has a 2026 opt out.
After this season, there is no longer any unique value to ATL for their own pick, because the season is over and the results are known. At that point, the ATL pick is just a pick (and is worth less than picks that are higher and worth more than picks that are lower). It no longer impacts their incentive to tank or not tank. It no longer has an impact on their future, because it is now in the past. After the season, if ATL wants their picks back in moving Trae, it's the 26SWAP and the 27 pick that are relevant.
So the question is... would you trade a single FRP for Trae? Sure... but other teams would offer the same or more, so why wouldn't ATL just do that? Then the question becomes, should the Spurs give up what Trae's real value is for Trae? And the answer is no.
Hawks might be a little worse than before the trade deadline. Hunter has been great for them but a player like Niang should help them with Jalen Johnson injury.
The big risk for them would be that Trae Young became fed up with a FO/ownership not trying to win and gave up on the team. This trade deadline shouldn't give him a lot of trust in them.
Great day for the Spurs!
I still see the Hawks ending up around 8-10th worst record and sniffing around the East play-in.
Losing Hunter probably has a bigger impact on their chances of winning the play-in.
The real news would be if they shut down Trae at some point but that only happens if he complains.
If the Hawks fall to 7th, which seems conceivable, the Spurs would have a 32% chance of getting top 4 just with that pick.
I agree. They got worse but not significantly enough that they're suddenly going to plummet to the depths of the league. They just went on a 9-game losing streak before this, they really have nowhere to go but up with the trades tbh.
Yeah, that's a fair assessment of what happen. Luka went for 1 1st, not the 2nd best 2-way player in the NBA who's averaging 25.7/11.9/3.4/1.3/2.1. He went for a single first, not a still-in-his-prime 31 y/o HOFer with a ring. Great take.
Its also an unbelievable trade, less that it happened than what they got back. Its the consensus worst trade in NBA history and it still netyed a current AS/All-NBA player, a first, and Max Christie.
Jimmy is 35, not 26. He made it clear he was done in Mia and was effectively a FA, and Riley said you don't suit up. Mia is a unique, refuse to rebuild team, they traded him for a 29y/o former AS who plays the same position putting up 17.6/4.6/2.3, very similar numbers to Jimmy but 6 years younger. + backup 4 with PO experience that is valuable to Mia.
Funny that you left out a 27y/o Fox went for a 29y/o 2x AS averaging 24/4.8/4.5, 3 (2*) firsts, and 3 (5*) seconds (4 of those may be more valuable than a late 1st btw).
I get Trae can opt out, but he's opting out of a Super-Max. Much more likely he either resigns or does a sign and trade that nets you much more that Butler went for. Spurs are good at trades.
Who do you think is a better comp for a going on 27y/o Trae, a 27y/o Fox or a 36y/o Butler?
Obvi its not Luka, because your sure Trae couldn't net "an All Star or AllNBA player in return" because it hasn't happen yet.
You're bad at this
Weird response, I understand incentives
The question posed was "If Atlanta offers the Spurs Trae for their '25 FRP, do you guys take it?"
The time wasn't bound by that question, other teams weren't part of the hypothetical, my response to the hypotetical of if ATL offers Trae for their '25 FRP, yes I absolutely take that deal.
I'm not sure what your even saying here, the question didn't ask about if any other teams would or could beat that offer.
Do you trade the ATL '25 for Trae? My answer was yes
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