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    Soviet style. Sounds scary
    it's impossible to describe things without using words

    are you scared?

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    Bannon thought he would be there -- Berialike -- in the Oval Office next to DJT, but it turned out to be El0n who crowned the glory of Bannonist-Leninism

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    it's impossible to describe things without using words

    are you scared?
    Not at all, but I didn't start this hysterical thread

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    Republicans are guilty of waste and fraud too. That’s the whole reason DOGE was formed.
    Doesn't answer the question

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    You then went on to refer to this scam as the biggest conspiracy ever.

    So what is his scam that is the biggest conspiracy ever? Don’t be a chicken (your term for people who don’t answer questions) and dodge again.
    I already said I don't know. I'm guessing there will be one.

    Wtf is wrong with you?

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    claw backs?

    The Trump administration has revoked more than $80 million in funds from New York City bank accounts after Elon Musk earlier this week threatened to claw back FEMA money he claimed the city used to house migrants in “luxury hotels,” prompting City Hall to raise the possibility of legal action.


    The city received a payment of $80.5 million from the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s Shelter and Services Program on Feb. 4. But Wednesday morning, City Comptroller Brad Lander discovered that FEMA abruptly cancelled the disbursement, making the money disappear from New York City coffers — a development Lander said he’d never before seen.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tr...-for-migrants/

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    it would seem there would be a natural trade off there between efficiency and the opportunity for corruption and political coercion

    if the government can take money directly out of your account, wow

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    another way to put it is El0n stole appropriated funds

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    but I guess that's a commonplace now

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    For those clamoring for transparency and receipts, the Department of Government Efficiency regularly posts to X with some of their activity.



    What you'll see here is that Elon didn't cancel any contracts, the EPA did. As has been said before, all DOGE is doing is auditing, revealing issues, and making recommendations. It's up to the President and agency heads to take action.

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    lololol

    um yeah…those DOGE-BAGS are um “auditors”

    hahahahahahahaha!

    you want to do an audit- you employ NON-PARTISAN auditors….

    not maga cultists

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    For those clamoring for transparency and receipts, the Department of Government Efficiency regularly posts to X with some of their activity.



    What you'll see here is that Elon didn't cancel any contracts, the EPA did. As has been said before, all DOGE is doing is auditing, revealing issues, and making recommendations. It's up to the President and agency heads to take action.
    it doesn't matter who ordered it

    unless we already inhabit a post-cons utional space, Congress still has the power of the purse

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    lololol

    um yeah…those DOGE-BAGS are um “auditors”

    hahahahahahahaha!

    you want to do an audit- you employ NON-PARTISAN auditors….

    not maga cultists
    Add in Mark Cuban. He's soy enough.

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    I presume Hegseth is temporizing, but if he can't detransition and sack trans soldiers decisively

    good luck with the upcoming political purges of the US armed forces

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    it doesn't matter who ordered it

    unless we already inhabit a post-cons utional space, Congress still has the power of the purse
    Well, that's the question, isn't it. They have the power of appropriation. If they want to tell the Executive where the money is to be spent, I'd like to see the line in the law that said you'll pay $458,919 per year for subscriptions.

    As it works, and has worked for almost 250 years, Congress passes a law and decides how much money they want to appropriate to the Executive Branch in order to execute the law. (Some laws are unfunded). The Executive Branch then throws the law to a bunch of bureaucrats and tell them to promulgate rules that will do what the legislature wants done. Being bureaucrats, they will come up with some thing that spends every damn penny (and then some) of the money appropriated for the law. Nothing in the law says how much of the money appropriated must be spent (unless there's a known line item to be purchased), that's the job of the Executive.

    This Executive happens to believe we could be spending a lot less than we are on programs that are chocked full of fraud, mismanagement, and abuse.

    It's obviously a question that needs to run up through the courts because, it needs to be settled, once and for all, if any 1 of 95 U. S. District Judges can wake up one morning and decide he wants to take over the powers of the Executive Branch. I would contend the President has an obligation to make sure the funds appropriated by Congress are spent appropriately. Otherwise, just move all the executive branch offices over to the Capitol or the Supreme Court and be done with it.

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    We need more trans war fighters!

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    another way to put it is El0n stole appropriated funds
    bUt he's a biLLionairE

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    We need more trans war fighters!
    If they make you cower like this

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    We need more trans war fighters!
    I don't recall anyone saying so

    The current reported number of trans soldiers is ~15,000 service-wide

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    Well, that's the question, isn't it. They have the power of appropriation. If they want to tell the Executive where the money is to be spent, I'd like to see the line in the law that said you'll pay $458,919 per year for subscriptions.

    As it works, and has worked for almost 250 years, Congress passes a law and decides how much money they want to appropriate to the Executive Branch in order to execute the law. (Some laws are unfunded). The Executive Branch then throws the law to a bunch of bureaucrats and tell them to promulgate rules that will do what the legislature wants done. Being bureaucrats, they will come up with some thing that spends every damn penny (and then some) of the money appropriated for the law. Nothing in the law says how much of the money appropriated must be spent (unless there's a known line item to be purchased), that's the job of the Executive.

    This Executive happens to believe we could be spending a lot less than we are on programs that are chocked full of fraud, mismanagement, and abuse.

    It's obviously a question that needs to run up through the courts because, it needs to be settled, once and for all, if any 1 of 95 U. S. District Judges can wake up one morning and decide he wants to take over the powers of the Executive Branch. I would contend the President has an obligation to make sure the funds appropriated by Congress are spent appropriately. Otherwise, just move all the executive branch offices over to the Capitol or the Supreme Court and be done with it.
    What silly horse

    El0n/Trump started by hijacking the US Treasury, now they're on a crime spree. They're breaking laws as fast as they can and daring the courts to catch up.

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    What silly horse

    El0n/Trump started by hijacking the US Treasury, now they're on a crime spree. They're breaking laws as fast as they can and daring the courts to catch up.
    Well reasoned and supported argument there, Winehole.

    As someone who has been a bureaucrat with budgetary authority, I'm pretty familiar with how agencies, programs, and legislative mandates are appropriated. Do you seriously believe Congress appropriated funds to the EPA to be spent on subscriptions to Politico?

    Every penny appropriated to the EPA has its origins at the EPA within a budget request. Congress holds the purse strings. The Executive opens the purse and spends the money...in the way it deems most likely to achieve the Congressional intent of the law. Are you arguing that just because the EPA receives enough money to allow it to blow it on waste, fraud and abuse, they should be left alone to do that? Without any oversight from the Executive Branch?

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    What silly horse

    El0n/Trump started by hijacking the US Treasury, now they're on a crime spree. They're breaking laws as fast as they can and daring the courts to catch up.
    Take any of the things DOGE is proposing be cut and tell me who made the final decision on where to spend the money?

    Was it Congress? Or, was it a bureaucrat?

    I know the answer to that question, and so do you.

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    grow up, Yoni

    y'all are wrecking the US government, we're already way past debate club

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    grow up, Yoni

    y'all are wrecking the US government, we're already way past debate club
    What has been wrecked?

    I think we're simply beyond your ability to provide a reasonable response.

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