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This is the last year we have a chance to play in the lottery pool….so soft tank. Next year is the time to start the new dynasty.
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This is the last year we have a chance to play in the lottery pool….so soft tank. Next year is the time to start the new dynasty.
Castle has a chance to be special! He’s built differently than most rookies.
Chris Mullin turned the team over to Castle with the quickness, picked up on the Alpha right away.
No
Wemby is not better than Duncan yet
No
Castle is not better than Manu. In playoffs. Yet
Fox is most definitely not better than Parker anywhere.
I give OP a core of 4 out of 10
A weak attempt
Please remember the average age of those new three is 22.6 years.
Wemby is great and has a bright future but is a long way from Tim. Wemby could win 4 les, 2 finals mvp, 1 mvp, 14 all star games, 9 all nba 1st teams, 2 all nba 2nd teams, 1 all nba 3rd team, 14 all
NBA defensive teams and still be behind Tim on each one.
Fox was the one I thought was the most obvious. Tell me again what TP did better than Fox?
wembys is probably a better defender then timmy but no where near the offensive force
Still crazy how underrated Duncan's defense was to this day, and even crazier that Wemby's got pretty good odds to exceed him in that department. Data doesn't go back far enough to look at Hakeem or Bill Russell, but he's got everyone else beat in both peak and longevity.
The dip and take off at age 35 for Duncan. That bit Ammaaazing. If I recall correctly, that was when the pick and roll, guard era took off ..remember Duncan struggling against Nash and Dragic's Suns in 09 or 2010. It is to Duncan's credit that he evolved, becoming brilliant in drop coverage even as the Spurs got the services of their best wing duo in decades in Green and Nephew. The duo's perimeter defense helped Duncan hone his rim protection to reach superlative levels again and made him as effective a defender as he was in his prime.Still crazy how underrated Duncan's defense was to this day, and even crazier that Wemby's got pretty good odds to exceed him in that department. Data doesn't go back far enough to look at Hakeem or Bill Russell, but he's got everyone else beat in both peak and longevity.
I really miss TD. He was the personification of the evolving superstar. No one aged as well as he did and which is why I felt he was better than Magic and Bird who had relatively shorter careers in the all time list.
Skills set Wemby has more than Timmy, but Timmy knew how to win games at a young age. Wemby will win battles against Timmy, but Timmy will win the war. Because as somebody said, right now Wemby is still all over the place.
Tony and Fox. Fox is the better scorer, but Tony is the better Alpha. Tony has that mamba mentality growing up. He always thinks he’s the best on the court despite being the shortest. He has that “A” hole cutthroat personality. If he weren’t a Spur, I think he’d be hated. He’s really lucky he got teammates like Timmy and Manu who were very unselfish, and a strict coach as Pop who straightened Tony early, because in another environment he would’ve been a showboat. But I love Tony. He’s ambitious and that also helped the Spurs cause. But among the three, he would’ve been the easiest to replace, like maybe by a Jason Kidd.
Manu >>>> Castle. I love Castle and he’ll be great. But it’s not fair to compare him to the most beloved Spur, my all-time favorite player. I mean, Timmy is right now the Spurs GOAT (time will tell if Wemby will surpass him), but Manu unselfishness, bravado and 100% effort day-in and day-out. The guy was just throwing his body out there for the team. His defense, his euro-step, his wicked baseline passes. Manu was a Roman god with his long hair!
I really like the current roster except Sochan at 4. I’m sorry but he’s too short and cannot shoot. Markkanen would’ve been great and I think would’ve completed the whole (plus minor tweaking in the bench). I really like Danny Wolf as a very smart player in the mold of Diaw/Splitter, a solid 7 footer with true NBA body who can space Wemby. He’s a junior and contributes on day 1. The Spurs can get another athletic 6’8, but I would want one of their two picks to be Danny Wolf. Watching him play, he contributes to every facet of the game, defense, manning the paint, blocking shots, posting, pushing the ball, facilitating, making the correct passes, can score in many ways. I’d be happy if the Spurs draft him.
for everybody comparing Castle to Manu, it seems like Manu coaches him quite a bit. At least when I was in Paris Manu was on the sidelines during Castle's warm ups. I don't know if that's a regular occassion, but he's definitely in his ear.
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thanks good Sir,. excellent analysis
Spursss new big three, save us from the desert , hehehehe
Wemby
Castle
Fox
>>>>>>>>>>> bring us to Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean we’re about to start burning books in this country soon, so why not!
I recall once Nowitzki being asked if he could have one skill from another player, what would he want and he said Duncan's base.
Attributable somewhat to genetics obviously, but also growing up a swimmer.
As useful as advanced stats are, too often they don't contextualize for era and because of that they're often used out of context.
Give Duncan the rules/spacing of this era and two healthy knees for longer than he had them and his counting/advanced stats would have been at the level of Jokic, Antetokounmpo, Embiid, Davis and eventually Wembanyama.
Last edited by TD 21; 02-16-2025 at 04:36 PM.
I think you're agreeing with my point - that it's misleading to use stats like TS% or EFG% to compare players of different eras, and that those numbers really need to be scaled to league average at that time to account for different styles of play and rule changes over different eras
I’m probably the biggest Robinson fan but he was known not to have a good back to basket game, he spent a summer trying to put a hook shot in but that never really worked. He had a nice spin for a loo catch because of his speed and athleticism , he had a semi reliable turnaround jumper but his post up game was lacking. His main thing was high post, pivot, face the basket for either a jump shot or drive o the basket for a foul. His lack of post game was a main reason his stats fall off a cliff in the postseason because he was constantly getting doubled and tripled so he can’t drive to the basket at all and when he faces Utah the refs won’t call anything on pedo (like robinson was called for a foul while getting a concussion by getting elbowed in the head).
Hakeem, Ewing, rik smits, even Brad Dougherty and Ring seikaly had a better post game. Can’t say the same about mourning or mutombo because those guys don’t have much offensive game to begin with.
I recalled robinson admitting to not getting the feel for post game himself. He’s really a SF playing centre his entire career.
This is a stupid post. You don't know what the you're talking about, as usual. Lmao you blame Robinson's post game for the team losing in the postseason. Jesus.
Your bull might work for someone who wasn't an adult living in San Antonio from Robinson's rookie year. Take it to someone else.
I really do sometimes wonder what Wemby's offensive numbers would look like if he was used in the same 4-down scheme though.
They'd be lousy, Wemby's not a dump it to him on the left block kind of player.
His post was accurate and why it triggered you to curse a blue streak along with revisionist history is puzzling.
That's more about usage than ability, though.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tim...eer-shot-chart
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/wembanyama-shot-chart
I could buy that his numbers might not be better, but a player like Wemby is simply not going to ever have awful numbers if you're putting the ball in his hands nearly every possession, regardless of where he is on the floor.
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