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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/79070607007/
Elon Musk isn't even working for DOGE or in charge, riiiiiight
Impossible to deny 1984-style doublethink from trump s. Cannot be trusted even 1% of the time
- "Promises, promises."
- Ernie "The Cat" Ladd
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/79070607007/
Elon Musk isn't even working for DOGE or in charge, riiiiiight
Impossible to deny 1984-style doublethink from trump s. Cannot be trusted even 1% of the time
ttps://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/finally-my-tax-dollars-are-being-used-to-uncover-publicly-available-government-informationUnder President Trump’s bold leadership, his administration is ushering in a new era of financial transparency in government. I’ve long wondered where my tax dollars are going but haven’t bothered to do the five minutes of research it would take to learn that all that information is already meticulously do ented and tracked in numerous publicly available reports and websites.
Trump has taken decisive, possibly illegal action to fund a billionaire and his tech bro protégés to uncover information that is already available for free to anyone who wants to see it at any time. Now, information about nearly every dollar the government spends will be publicly available to every American citizen, as it has been for decades.
The old (1984) card.https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/79070607007/
Elon Musk isn't even working for DOGE or in charge, riiiiiight
Impossible to deny 1984-style doublethink from trump s. Cannot be trusted even 1% of the time
Whoo Hoo!!!
So, I tracked down your source (thanks for not linking) "Good Jobs First."
Looking at their "Subsidy Tracker," from which I'm assuming this graph originates, Tesla does, indeed, appear on there a lot. I haven't done the math so, it may well add up to $2.5 billion. The operative words in your graph are "INCLUDES ALL GRANTS AND TAX CREDITS." Also, you'll note the word "FEDERAL" con uously absent from the graph.
I tried to download the spreadsheet to do a more thorough analysis but, "Good Jobs First" wants money for that.
Anyway, take a look. The most recent large sum is a $330 Million tax abatement, given by the State of Arizona, for Tesla to expand their Gigafactory with a $3.6 Billion capital investment. You can disagree with tax abatements, I know I sometimes do but, it's not a subsidy. And, in this case, it's not a federal subsidy. All of the federal monies I came across were for loans and/or grants and tax credits or rebates -- something we all have access to, provided we meet the criteria for the loan, grant, credit or rebate. Tesla paid back all federal loans (early and with interest) and, well, grants go through an application process. I don't find any federal subsidies in the website for Tesla.
Your graph is meaningless.
you're spoonfed toady and a motivated reasoner, Yonivore
always have been
I hunted down your source and looked at the data. Who's being spoonfed, Winehole? You're the one that posted the graph uncritically. What did you think it showed?
If I had the time, I'd track down every one of your insane statements and show you the error of your ways but, , who has the time on an irrelevant political forum?
Why is Elon's financial disclosure a state secret?
Also, why are Trump and Elon degenerate liars?
Verified by Elon's AI:
https://x.com/JakeOrion93/status/1892064481540268113
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It's easier to just take Elon at his word huh
I have no reason to distrust him.
Why is he lying to you?
Absolutely.
Ya's could always gun 'em. Whenever ya's don't like somebody ya's gun 'em.
Conflict. Of. Interest.
Well, my AI says this:
NASA was asked:In September 2024, SpaceX's Crew-9 mission launched with only two astronauts—Nick Hague and Aleksandr Gorbunov—instead of the originally planned four. This adjustment was made to accommodate the return of NASA astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore, who had been on the International Space Station (ISS) since June 2024 due to technical issues with Boeing's Starliner spacecraft. The Crew Dragon spacecraft has a capacity of up to seven passengers; therefore, there was ample space to bring Williams and Wilmore back to Earth without leaving any other astronauts behind.
Already disrupted by 2 additional astronauts being unable to return as scheduled.Although SpaceX's Crew Dragon was docked at the ISS following the Crew-9 mission on September 29, 2024, NASA did not immediately authorize the astronauts' return on this spacecraft. The primary reason was to avoid disrupting the planned crew rotation schedule...
The SpaceX Crew Dragon delivered 2 astronauts to replace the two that were stranded.and to ensure that the ISS maintained the necessary crew complement for ongoing missions.
They knew SpaceX Crew Dragon was making the trip with 2 empty seats for the stranded astronauts. What planning is there to do? And, it damn sure wasn't unexpected.Additionally, logistical considerations and the need for thorough planning to accommodate the unexpected return contributed to the decision to delay their return until a later mission.
Smells of politics to me and I'm sure Elon Musk knows more than my AI or you about what took place last September.
Pish & tosh.
What politics?
Please explain your conspiracy theory.
And you just directly contradicted Elon's AI.
How is his project such a massive failure according to you?
For some reason you want to leave the entire ISS crew with no way to escape if there is a problem.
Why do you want to leave those astronauts stranded, yoni?
You moron, you.
My AI says, to the quesion, "Given all the information available to you, what could be the genesis of Elon Musk's assertion the decision to not allow the September SpaceX flight to return the 2 astronauts was political in nature?":
I don't use Grok. My AI is more thorough in its reasoning. Or, the user might ask Grok more probing questions.Elon Musk's assertion that NASA's decision to delay the return of astronauts Sunita Williams and Butch Wilmore was "political" seems to stem from several converging factors:
The Availability of SpaceX's Crew Dragon
The September 2024 Crew Dragon mission (Crew-9) had space available to return the astronauts without displacing others.
Crew Dragon is a proven, reliable spacecraft that had already completed multiple crewed missions safely.
The Struggles of Boeing’s Starliner Program
Boeing’s Starliner was initially intended to return Williams and Wilmore, but technical issues rendered it unsafe.
Boeing, as a major contractor for NASA, has faced repeated delays and cost overruns with the Starliner program, and failing to complete this mission as planned was a significant setback.
Potential Favoritism Toward Boeing
Boeing has long been a key NASA contractor, and the government has historically been seen as favoring legacy aerospace companies over newer entrants like SpaceX.
By insisting that the astronauts wait for another flight instead of using Crew Dragon, some may perceive this as an effort to shield Boeing from further embarrassment.
Musk's Ongoing Criticism of the Biden Administration
Musk has publicly clashed with the Biden administration over various issues, including government contracts, electric vehicle subsidies, and regulatory policies.
He has frequently accused the administration of favoring traditional corporations and unions over disruptors like Tesla and SpaceX.
The Timing of NASA’s Decision
NASA's explanation for not using Crew Dragon in September revolved around scheduling and logistical concerns. However, Musk and others may view this as an unnecessary delay given the urgency of returning the astronauts.
Since Crew Dragon was already docked and capable of safely bringing them back, the choice to wait could be interpreted as a bureaucratic or political move rather than a purely technical one.
Musk’s Alignment with Trump's Narrative
In recent interviews, Musk has been increasingly vocal in his support for Trump and criticism of the Biden administration.
His claim aligns with broader Republican critiques of government inefficiency and alleged favoritism toward traditional defense contractors like Boeing.
Possible Conclusion
It looks like the September 2024 SpaceX Crew-9 mission remained docked at the ISS and is still there as of February 2025, meaning it was never actually unavailable for returning the two astronauts. Given that Crew Dragon is capable of safely transporting them and had space available, the decision to delay their return until March 2025 starts to look less like a logistical issue and more like a deliberate choice.
Elon Musk’s claim that the decision was political likely comes from his belief that NASA and the Biden administration were trying to protect Boeing’s reputation. If the two astronauts had been brought back on SpaceX’s Crew Dragon in September, it would have been an embarrassing failure for Boeing’s Starliner program, which was already struggling with technical issues and delays. By waiting and exploring alternatives, NASA might have been trying to avoid making Boeing look worse, even if it meant leaving the astronauts on the ISS longer than necessary.
Musk’s frustration likely stems from what he sees as government favoritism toward legacy aerospace companies like Boeing at the expense of newer, more reliable private space firms like SpaceX. Given his ongoing clashes with the Biden administration, it’s not surprising that he would frame this as a political issue rather than just a bureaucratic or logistical decision.
It looks like the September 2024 SpaceX Crew-9 mission remained docked at the ISS and is still there as of February 2025, meaning it was never actually unavailable for returning the two astronauts.
I'm going to ask you personally why you think it's a great idea to strand the ISS crew without any means of escape in case of an emergency just to bring those two astronauts down outside the regular rotation schedule because you want it.
Please answer without relying on a machine to think for you.
Astute observation, Chump. Do you think NASA has had time to make use of it by now?
My answer is it's not a great idea to leave the ISS crew without any means of escape in case of an emergency.
There is currently a Russian Soyuz spacecraft docked at the ISS. It arrived at about the same time as the SpaceX Crew Dragon. For over a decade, after the last shuttle tragedy, it was the way our astronauts got to and returned from the ISS. I think the astronauts, remaining behind could have reliably used that while SpaceX brought Williams and Wilmore home.
And how much would that extra trip cost?
Since I know saving money is important to you.
A lot cheaper than can be done by NASA and Boeing. SpaceX can do the trip for half the price of what the originally scheduled Boeing Starline could so, two trips for the price of one.
So run the numbers for me.
How much will your plan cost?
Please include your staffing plans as well.
SpaceX Crew Dragon costs $55-$65 Million, per seat and $225 million per launch.
Boeing Starliner costs $$90-$110 million, per seat and $500 million per launch.
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