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If Devin can't be convinced to be the 6th man by Pop and Manu, he will never be convinced.
We already saw what could be. We'll just get killed on the glass, it's not even just about defense.
Or for example those Grizzlies matchups when Bane just ran through Devin over and over again. And I won't hold that against Devin because he's a guard, not a forward.
Then we go back to Wemby situation and his tirendess before the blood clot situation. In most games, multiple opponents were crashing the glass with Spurs not having enough to box them out and Wemby had to expend a lot of energy on rebounding. Can't expect him to be the only presence in the paint on defense and then to go to the other end of the floor and play in the post.
My take is that we need a modern PF, the Naz/Aldama archetype, a player who can do a bit of everything.
Barnes should start for another season because he's our by far the most reliable 3pt shooter and has some size, although starting him at PF isn't optimal, he's too small for a lot of PFs.
If Devin can't be convinced to be the 6th man by Pop and Manu, he will never be convinced.
Orlando is a no brainer.
I thought so too, but their cap situation isn't great.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/ORL.html
Shooting is their biggest issue, but they also need an actual point guard, Suggs isn't one.
Trae is an ideal target for them, tbh.
I'm not sure who would we even want aside from two players they obviously won't trade.
WCJ's salary will jump from 10 to 18 million in 26-27 season.
It was at the time I posted that. I realize you lack any form of critical thinking skills, but maybe you can look up the Wikipedia entry for "Time" to understand how that works.
He's up to .464/.373 excluding his outlier game, which is an improvement. The stats above also don't include the DET game. He's actually up to 19.8ppg on .486/.409
It should come as little shock that the man with Main Character Syndrome is thriving now that he's allowed to be the Main Character. Maybe if we just dedicate ourselves to building completely around Devin, we can finally unlock his full potential. That seems smart.
No sense of humor.
I've thought MIL would actually be a nice fit for Devin, but they have no actual path to trading for him anymore (Middleton would have been the opportunity) without some convoluted 3-team trade or in a S&T by overpaying Lopez (which the Spurs should not be interested in). He could fit in as a 3rd option with the starting lineup and second option in staggered minutes with Dame. That's the best playoff team fit I can think of.
The Magic would be the other team in the east where if I squint my eyes really hard I might see a fit, but he would be relegated to a 4th option there as well, a role he clearly cannot thrive in.
In the west, the Suns are the only team I can think of if they could somehow get off of Beal - then they could use Devin, but it's not like he's the missing piece or anything. They'd probably still be nothing more than a play-in team who needs to blow it up. Dev would be a fine tank commander for them in a scenario where they did blow it up though. I don't really want Durant, but maybe we can get in on their dismantling and Devin gets routed there while we pick up some useful pieces for participating in the deal.
That's the full list as I see it.
My apologies.
My fear is that we get sucked in this trap where when it appears Devin isn't a good fit (like pretty much all of this season before March), then it's "we can't trade Devin while his value is down", but then when he has a good month when the team is tanking, there is no pressure and he's handed the keys to be Main Character Dev it's "we can't trade Devin now, we have to see if he can sustain this!"
We're entering Year 6 of the YungDev0 experience... we shouldn't still be trying to figure out what could be.
With all that said... I like the idea of 6th Man Dev (and I've said as much before). It allows him to be his most comfortable self (ball-dominant Kobe-lite) where his defensive limitations are less damaging to the team. It also solves the biggest problem with Devin on the current roster, which is the idea of Devin (or Castle) playing SF. It is suboptimal, to put it lightly. I just can't take a lineup with Devin starting at SF seriously. If we didn't have Castle (or say we had drafted Risacher instead of Castle), then this wouldn't be a problem and I think Devin would be fine as our starting SG and I wouldn't have this stupid avatar.But, IMO... SF Devin is a non-starter.
Now, if we're talking about Devin's best role being 6th man, I think it does lead to another conversation that requires resolution. Devin vs. Keldon. These two absolutely cannot share the court together (I had another thread with data on this topic but I cannot find it). We are just BAD when they share the court (which they do a lot):
So, IMO, one of these guys has got to go. I actually like the way Keldon has played post ASB, and the choice between them is actually closer than I would expect. I like that Keldon's contract (both in the $ and the length) a lot better. But so will other teams, and I think Keldon will be a lot easier to move. I think it will actually be a lot harder to find a trade partner for Devin and his deal than we might think. It's kind of an awkward size and the teams where he fits best (MIL, PHX) are 2nd apron teams who can't aggregate and don't have anything nice to match up with it.
Lastly, I wanted to show the same chart above for the Vassell-Castle pairing, which also tells the story of why I believe 1) Castle should be prioritized over Devin (this shouldn't be controversial) and 2) they shouldn't start together.
Either him or Sochan would look mighty good in a Washington Wizards uniform. But I’d call Dallas or LAL and see what pick they have left to trade for him. Those two GMs would do it in a heartbeat
The way the Bucks keep trying to win now by shuffling deck chairs on the anic, I would call them and propose far out draft capital + Kuzma for Devin.
Kuzma sucks but his contract is a lot shorter and at least he plays forward. Though the idea of him and Keldon on the floor at the same time is truly barf-worthy.
Devin for Middleton straight up is another possibility, not sure if the Wiz would be interested.
Kuzma is a complete dumbass, and Middleton is cooked, well done cooked.
I thought I saw last game where Toby was saying that Keldon is the 3rd leading scorer out of all bench players in the entire NBA and he was pretty close to second place. Did I hear that right? If so, surely he has some decent trade value.
And Vassell's numbers also look better this month, so maybe that has also boosted his trade value positively. The Spurs can mention he's looking better due to his foot. If he finishes off the season strong, they should get the team media to start writing articles saying that his foot was healed and that he was able to finally start playing well (This very well could be what has happened - might have been mostly health related rather than the games not mattering, but without knowing for sure, may as well sell it as he's starting to come good health wise).
I don't get the fascination with wanting to trade a player entering his prime, that can do a bit of everything. Not that I'm opposed to trading for a game breaking player like donut, but it seems like you guys would trade him for a bag of peanuts and make claims about defence that I just don't see.
he doesnt pass the eye test tbh
he really does.. he didn't last year, his D was atrocious, but this year he's a legitimate player.. yes he's bad on some specific rotations, yeah i know.. but he's the least of our problems in a lineup with barnes, byombo and cp3, which are all among the worst defenders in the league
This is Spurstalk. They will be demanding the Spurs trade Castle for a washed up player in two years because they secretly think that every player sucks except Tim Duncan. I'm sure they will say we should not super max Wemby.
Every time you post, it's like an admission that you don't know anything about basketball.
I’m not sold of Vassell as he seems to be regressing every year. The last two (or was that three) years, hed be disappointing or straight out terrible to start the year, once the season is practically over and we start tanking, he suddenly and oddly plays better.
I want him to do well of course but at this point we are looking at a fairly common archetype of a low efficiency scorer who can’t do anything else. To top it off he can’t even create good shots. Last year he looked like a legit scorer for a bit but it was because he was nailing difficult shots at an unusually high rate, laws of averages caught up and he’s exposed.
I don’t want to give him away but if the right trade comes along, say for a decent 3D player or a good shooting big, I’d be all over it.
Is that the side profile of the Mariana’s trench?Every time you post, it's like an admission that you don't know anything about basketball.
He sucks at defense and is a ball stopper. Two horrible traits to have on this team going forward. He also takes extremely stupid shots and just doesn’t have court awareness. I’m glad he is finally looking good, but there’s zero pressure bc we are out of the playoff race and he’s taking all the shots. These are things I don’t value from Vassell.
Btw the team is worse with him on the floor with our starters and it isn’t even close. His advance numbers are trash
#1 Rule of Team Building: Don't overvalue summer league performance or last 6 weeks of a tanking season performance when making major personnel decisions.
He's really not. The best thing about Vassell's game is that he's a league average three point shooter.
+10000000000000000000
you always post this darko function, as if it has ever been shown to be a quality one.. it seems a truism to me, that it very much isn't, no amount of posting it will do anything to convince me.Every time you post, it's like an admission that you don't know anything about basketball.
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