2025 NBA Draft

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I'm late to the discussion, but is there a case against Carter Bryant? I've only seen a couple of highlight videos but he looks like an ideal project SF. Listed at 6-8 and looks legit, I'd be surprised if wasn't at least 6-7.

Great athlete, makes his 3s at 37% albeit low volume, gets blocks and steals, already very strong. Old for a freshman, sure.

Looks like a good gamble for a complementary role player who can finish plays for the heavy usage ball handlers in Wemby, Fox and Castle

I really like Carter Bryant. But he is raw and needs more time to develop.

So, I would only draft him if Fleming is gone.

[Dejounte]

One forward on one corner… the other forward in the other corner… Fox and Castle running around playing hot potato with the ball and trying to get a good look… while Wemby is in the paint? Good luck with that. Do people believe he’s still that type of player? They’ll struggle to get the ball to him because the opposing team will deny, deny, deny. Do people think Fox or Castle will be our designated rebounders? Come on. Not sure why people can’t see yet why we need a bruiser inside at all times with Vic.

[LeBowen]

Nah, Barnes can’t play SF as much anymore. He’s clearly phasing into the next chapter of his career into a PF. He’s lost a step and is now more suited to play the PF role. This happens to a lot of players.

You just said rebounding is a big issue, Barnes at PF is a part of it.
He'd be fine if matched up against the worst of SG/SF/PF on the opposing team.
We can't bench him because he's a tier above anyone else on the roster from 3pt.

[Dejounte]

You just said rebounding is a big issue, Barnes at PF is a part of it.
He'd be fine if matched up against the worst of SG/SF/PF on the opposing team.
We can't bench him because he's a tier above anyone else on the roster from 3pt.

It’s not ideal but if Barnes has a large role next year then the Spurs are cooked

[Mr. Body]

Someone compared Fleming to Jalen Smith.

Totally nailed it. Same skills, but same robotic and passive play, same lack of feel.

[benefactor]

Someone compared Fleming to Jalen Smith.

Totally nailed it. Same skills, but same robotic and passive play, same lack of feel.

I think people are forgetting just how dumb the the current role players are on this team. Just like anyone else I have some concerns with Kon, but all the things he does at a high level are things this team really needs. Kon willl play within the offense and make good decisions that will lead to good opportunities. Or he will be open for three and he can knock it down. I'm tired of watching our players get the basketball and their brain fall out of their ear as soon as it touches their hands.

[The Truth #6]

That’s making our rebounding woes even worse. Did folks here forget that rebounding is part of basketball? Brehhhhh

Replacing Devin in this imaginary starting lineup with Fleming makes our rebounding worse...how so?

[scottspurs]

2025 NBA Draft Board


Moved some dudes around after doing the analytics. The final step will be measurables, athletic testing and watching interviews to see what a players mindset is.


I’m not sure what to do with Ace Bailey because he makes me nervous as a prospect but he is very talented. Very Raw.


Queen is so talented I don’t think I will move him off #2. I would have had him as the top prospect in last year’s draft. The defensive metrics say he is not as bad on defense as he looks mainly because he is a really good rebounder. He is becoming a better athlete daily. Could end up being a good defender. He went from being close to 400 lbs in high school to what he is now. Conditioning has improved vastly although he still showed some fatigue issues in college. He is putting in the work. So much potential. He could even end up being a franchise guy if he has some untapped athletic ability.

• Cooper Flagg - franchise potential
• Derik Queen - all-star potential
• Dylan Harper - all-star potential
• Kon Knueppel - all-star potential
• Jase Richardson - all-star potential
• Vj Edgecombe - all-star potential
• Tre Johnson - all-star potential
• Thomas Sorber - starter potential
• Ace Bailey - starter potential
• Rasheer Fleming - starter potential
• Collin Murray-Boyles - starter potential
• Nique Clifford - starter potential
• Jeremiah Fears - starter potential
• Yaxel Lendeborg - starter potential
• Kasparas Jakucionis - starter potential
• Khaman Maluach - starter potential
• Asa Newell - starter potential
• Egor Denim - starter potential
• Walter Clayton Jr. - starter potential
• Cedric Coward - starter potential
• Liam McNeely - role player
• Kam Jones - role player
• Adou Thiero - role player
• Carter Bryant - role player
• Isaiah Evans - role player
• Sion James - role player
• Will Riley - role player
• Ryan Kalkbrenner - Role player
• Darrion Williams - role player
• Chaz Lanier - role player
• Maxime Raynaud - role player
• Johni Broome - role player
• Vladislav Goldin - role player
• Alex Condon - role player
• Danny Wolf - developmental
• Miles Byrd - developmental
• Boogie Fland - developmental
• Milos Uzan - developmental
• Tahaad Pettiford - developmental
• Tyrese Proctor - developmental
• Labaron Philon - developmental
• John Tonje - developmental
• Ryan Nembhard - developmental
• Koby Brea - developmental
• Eric Dixon - developmental
• Mark Sears - developmental
• Kobe Johnson - developmental
• Jaxson Robinson - developmental
• Xavian Lee - developmental
• Ian Jackson - developmental

This board doesn’t really factor in the Spurs needs or what they would do. Still haven’t watched the international players.


Also the potential next to their name is more of an early career rookie contract outlook. Any player can exceed expectation and any player not live up to expectations. A lot of a players early career is dictated by fit and opportunity. How well a team develops them and how hard they work to get better.

[LeBowen]

It’s not ideal but if Barnes has a large role next year then the Spurs are cooked

Cavsjust won 64 games with Dean Wade or Strus starting at SF, while having two undersized guards.
Sometimes I feel like the only thing you deal with are absolutes.
Is Barnes good enough to start on a team that can win it all? Not anymore.
Is he good enough to start on an average playoff team? Defintely.

If you think we'll have a major overhaul this summer, fine.
But Barnes being a starter on the opening night is way more likely.

[scott]

Who's the odd man out if we get Kon?
I think this season has shown us Barnes should be kept as a starter because of his elite shooting, but that we need a bigger PF and he should be moved to SF.
Assuming him and Castle start, there are still Devin and Keldon on the roster. And even Champagnie if we're talking SG/SF shooters.

I want to get rid of at least one of Devin/Keldon, but I don't think it's likely.
If we keep everyone in the current rotation, we need a 6'9-6'11 PF, backup PG and backup C.

They'll just do what they did this year before injuries took over. Create a roster crunch by insisting on a bunch of mid players get their minutes.

Remember when Champ was on a roll and we had an extremely effective lineup with him starting... and then we ruined it and him by reducing him to spot minutes?

[Gibbz]

Beginning to love the idea of drafting Queen but I'm not sure he'll make it to #8.

[Dejounte]

Replacing Devin in this imaginary starting lineup with Fleming makes our rebounding worse...how so?

The play you described is how. And let’s be honest, that’s the type of play a lot of people here are envisioning the Spurs to run all the time because folks think the solution to our shooting woes has to be solved by going all-in with shooters at every position and it’s just a thought process or myth that I can’t wait for it to be debunked once next season starts…

ps. This site loads so ing slow

[onechance87]

They'll just do what they did this year before injuries took over. Create a roster crunch by insisting on a bunch of mid players get their minutes.

Remember when Champ was on a roll and we had an extremely effective lineup with him starting... and then we ruined it and him by reducing him to spot minutes?

yup ruined it by forcing vassell back in the starting lineup

[Dejounte]

Beginning to love the idea of drafting Queen but I'm not sure he'll make it to #8.

His offense is otherworldly for a big. The same type of swag Castle brings. That would be an exciting pick for sure. If Kon’s gone, I wouldn’t mind John B ‘s idea of just going double big with both picks. I think the draft is deeper with bigs than the other positions.

[objective]

Cavsjust won 64 games with Dean Wade or Strus starting at SF, while having two undersized guards.
Sometimes I feel like the only thing you deal with are absolutes.
Is Barnes good enough to start on a team that can win it all? Not anymore.
Is he good enough to start on an average playoff team? Defintely.

If you think we'll have a major overhaul this summer, fine.
But Barnes being a starter on the opening night is way more likely.

If I remember right there was a Dunc'd On podcast episode last month with an analytics guest, I think they spent a few minutes on why Wade was an analytics darling and how much he helped the Cavs win games with the little things

[Ice009]

Fleming also played for a terrible team. Very talented squad, but overall bad from what I heard

Yeah, I'm not sure about these guys that weren't on good teams as that is putting me right off. Having said that, though, I think back to Amen Thompson and Ausar Thompson, weren't they is some other league before being drafted? And how did that league compare to the NCAA? I assume it was worse and they seem to be doing very well (bit of an understatement as Amen is killing it) in the NBA.

[Mr. Body]

I think people are forgetting just how dumb the the current role players are on this team. Just like anyone else I have some concerns with Kon, but all the things he does at a high level are things this team really needs. Kon willl play within the offense and make good decisions that will lead to good opportunities. Or he will be open for three and he can knock it down. I'm tired of watching our players get the basketball and their brain fall out of their ear as soon as it touches their hands.

Why do you think Fleming is any different? He's probably just as dumb as most of our role players.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, I'm not sure about these guys that weren't on good teams as that is putting me right off. Having said that, though, I think back to Amen Thompson and Ausar Thompson, weren't they is some other league before being drafted? And how did that league compare to the NCAA? I assume it was worse and they seem to be doing very well (bit of an understatement as Amen is killing it) in the NBA.

They played for OverTime Elite, considered even worse than the G-League Ignite team. I undervalued them because of that, but I was wrong, at least as far as Amen goes. I expect Ausar will get there, too.

[Mr. Body]

Beginning to love the idea of drafting Queen but I'm not sure he'll make it to #8.

Queen is super salivating for his top end talents. He's big and fluid for his size, but really has an exceptional feel for the game. Just one of those 'gets it' players. Obviously big question marks about fit anywhere in the league, as he's not a shot blocker, may have some motor issues, and isn't a great defender in space. But I'm more intrigued by him than a player like Sorber who I wouldn't mind. I'd just rather go for that big upside swing. The passing, the smarts, the baby Jokic possibilities.

I don't know if I'd take him at 8, though. Just for team needs.

[Ice009]

They played for OverTime Elite, considered even worse than the G-League Ignite team. I undervalued them because of that, but I was wrong, at least as far as Amen goes. I expect Ausar will get there, too.

Thanks. I wasn't sure what league it was or the level it was (It's an even lower level than I thought). That's very interesting that it doesn't seem to have held Amen back at all, and as you said, Ausar is also on his way up there too.
I always used to be put off by players that played at lower levels of compe ion and looked real good, but Amen has changed my mind on that. I'd still be wary of picking anyone like that as I'd guess for the majority of players it most likely won't translate, but I wouldn't discount anyone anymore because of it.

[Dejounte]

I’ve been watching these guys every day to see if I’m going to keep shuffling the order I want them in:

Queen - More of a “make something out of nothing” ISO big. Because he’s an ISO big (a super unique thing in the NBA), it can be a good or bad thing. If background interviews check out and he’s a team player, it’s a good thing. He adds a dimension to the Spurs lineup with an already crowded offensive lineup of Fox, Castle, Wemby and makes it even more potent. Apparently Castle and Queen already follow each other on Instagram so there might already be a connection there. Queen is the type of pick you make with the first of our two FRP’s in order to boost his confidence (which is already sky high). I’d also like to add that there are NO bigs who can go coast to coast with the ball like Queen can. It’s absolutely absurd what he’s able to do at his height. For this reason, he is special.

Sorber - I’ve gone at length about this guy. People are seriously sleeping on him. He’s drawing comparisons to Looney and Okongwu on scouting reports (two guys I’ve said in the past who would be perfect next to Wemby), but I think he’s much more than that. His body movement and post moves are Tim Duncanesque. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s been studying him a lot. He knows his angles, makes the simple play, and has all sorts of tricks up his sleeve when scoring down low that you don’t notice at first. It makes sense that there was a report of the Spurs scouting him, they probably see TD as being a good mentor for him. If it was up to me, I’d draft him with our 8th but I acknowledge that it’d probably be more strategic to pick him up with the ATL pick since the injury might scare teams off anyway.

Rasheer Fleming - Everybody knows I was the first to be high on this guy. I still am. However, unlike the first two above, his ceiling is immediately lower due to his inconsistent performance during college. He’s gifted in all the ways people have mentioned over and over, but it’s going to be a Blake Wesley-esque gamble where you’re still hoping that his brain will develop fast enough to realize his potential. This is the kind of pick scott keeps saying that the draft pick won’t be an immediate contributor. There would be some growing pains with this guy and because of that, I would only draft him with the ATL pick unlike the two above who I would consider drafting with the Spurs pick.

RE: Fit concerns - I will repeat again that I believe talent supersedes everything. If any of these guys are as good as I think they are, they will make it work and remove any doubt of how they will fit alongside Wemby. It’s the Tim Duncan argument. I’d play Tim Duncan next to Wemby because he’s just that good despite skills or tendencies that might be lacking. I happen to think Sorber and Queen are good fits due to our urgent need of a big to stay in the paint as opposed to planting all of our players on the perimeter with no one to rebound inside. That’s an unpopular opinion and I’ll stick with it.

[Trueblood]

I think this is spot on thinking. Both Rodman and Scotty Pippin weren’t even D1 players. scouting wasn’t as good back then,and analytics were non existent. Even so, both players were selected at positions that would be first rounders today, #5 and #27.

you just said it yourself “scouting wasn’t as good back then”. But it’s much better now and he didn’t get picked up by a better program in three years during the era you recognize as one with better scouting. That should tell you everything you need to know

[rankingtear]

Wemby needs a big wing at the 4 so he is always matched up with the other teams big man. I would personally would trade this pick for Keegan to fill that role. But they would likely revisit KD and Markannen trade in the offseason to fill that spot. Markannen value is way down and if UTA does not win the top 4 spots then a trade demand is going to be more likely. There is little value for us in this draft with lack of wings on our range.

[John B]

I’ve been watching these guys every day to see if I’m going to keep shuffling the order I want them in:

Queen - More of a “make something out of nothing” ISO big. Because he’s an ISO big (a super unique thing in the NBA), it can be a good or bad thing. If background interviews check out and he’s a team player, it’s a good thing. He adds a dimension to the Spurs lineup with an already crowded offensive lineup of Fox, Castle, Wemby and makes it even more potent. Apparently Castle and Queen already follow each other on Instagram so there might already be a connection there. Queen is the type of pick you make with the first of our two FRP’s in order to boost his confidence (which is already sky high). I’d also like to add that there are NO bigs who can go coast to coast with the ball like Queen can. It’s absolutely absurd what he’s able to do at his height. For this reason, he is special.

Sorber - I’ve gone at length about this guy. People are seriously sleeping on him. He’s drawing comparisons to Looney and Okongwu on scouting reports (two guys I’ve said in the past who would be perfect next to Wemby), but I think he’s much more than that. His body movement and post moves are Tim Duncanesque. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s been studying him a lot. He knows his angles, makes the simple play, and has all sorts of tricks up his sleeve when scoring down low that you don’t notice at first. It makes sense that there was a report of the Spurs scouting him, they probably see TD as being a good mentor for him. If it was up to me, I’d draft him with our 8th but I acknowledge that it’d probably be more strategic to pick him up with the ATL pick since the injury might scare teams off anyway.

Rasheer Fleming - Everybody knows I was the first to be high on this guy. I still am. However, unlike the first two above, his ceiling is immediately lower due to his inconsistent performance during college. He’s gifted in all the ways people have mentioned over and over, but it’s going to be a Blake Wesley-esque gamble where you’re still hoping that his brain will develop fast enough to realize his potential. This is the kind of pick scott keeps saying that the draft pick won’t be an immediate contributor. There would be some growing pains with this guy and because of that, I would only draft him with the ATL pick unlike the two above who I would consider drafting with the Spurs pick.

RE: Fit concerns - I will repeat again that I believe talent supersedes everything. If any of these guys are as good as I think they are, they will make it work and remove any doubt of how they will fit alongside Wemby. It’s the Tim Duncan argument. I’d play Tim Duncan next to Wemby because he’s just that good despite skills or tendencies that might be lacking. I happen to think Sorber and Queen are good fits due to our urgent need of a big to stay in the paint as opposed to planting all of our players on the perimeter with no one to rebound inside. That’s an unpopular opinion and I’ll stick with it.

If Spurs any combination of Queen/Sorber and Fleming. It’s an Endgame. The Spurs can go big half court with Queen/Sorber and Wemby or running fast with Wemby and Fleming. Damn, Spurs will have paint dominance for years and years.

I can’t wait where the Spurs’ and ATL’s picks are.

[LeBowen]

Imo, we have to deal with the coaching situation before the draft night.
Whoever we draft needs to be in line with whatever the next coach's philosophy is.
Wemby can play with anyone, but not every coach would want a non-shooting PF, even if Wemby becomes KAT 2.0 from 3pt.