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Yes, Wemby is notoriously on that secret rookie max contract.
Whether the Spurs should is one question, but they could easily fit another max contract if they wanted to.
I think we can. We'd just have to plan to move on from one of them in a couple years.
Yes, Wemby is notoriously on that secret rookie max contract.
Whether the Spurs should is one question, but they could easily fit another max contract if they wanted to.
I gotta wonder if the Joker might want out if they lose this series?
The players you named will have draft pick price tags that will preclude moving on from them in a few years.
For two years. Then you’re looking at $70M for Wemby. Fox’s extension will kick in in 2026.
Teams are running from those third contracts. GS with Klay and the LAC with PG are two recent examples.
So, they can fit it.
Thanks for confirming.
The players he was talking about aren’t two year rentals, and if teams know we have to come off them at that point, we’ll be Phoenix to their KD
Possibly, but that would be mitigated somewhat if the player specifically want to go to SA. In addition, I didn't name those players as an exhaustive list, they were just examples to start a conversation.
Best trade for Spurs would be getting a player like Naz Reid on 120/4 deal max. It should go well with Wemby, Fox new deals
DV for Gafford and PJ would be incredible, but no way the Mavs are interested when they already have Klay, Christie, Naji, and Caleb Martin as 6'5'- 6'6" SG/SF, and no PG until Kyrie comes back, Naji started at point for the play-in games. They're also $3M under the apron with 3 roster spots to fill, going into the apron means they can't aggregate players out or use exceptions.
Also, Davis and Lively arent' exactly durable (AD misses 30 games a yr, Lively's played 91 in 2 yrs), this trades give them 5 6'5" wings with AD and Lively as the only rotation bigs, no PG and only an extra 1M saved.
Sochan and Wesley works for either Gafford or PJ. Gives them another maybe PG, a rotation big, and saves them a little more money, about $2M and only 2 roster spots to fill.
Feels like Gafford or PJ will be available, just looking at their roster and cap situation. Personally I'd much rather have PJ, but AD and Lively are likely to miss 25-40 games each. They are in a horrible position. Good thing they have a great GM.
Max Christie is probably their best trade asset. PJ and Gaff are expirings, Klay is 36, Naji is 27 and shot 29% from 3, 30% career. They can't trade AD, bc they don't own their picks for 5 yrs and he's 32 and has avg'd 54gp the past 7 yrs. They can't trade Kyrie unless its a pure salary dump bc he's 33, on a torn ACL, and is expiring, but they need Kyrie in '27 because they don't own their pick until 2031. Truly breathtaking mismanagement. Or the best way to get them to LV.
Great point on the timing for Beal's deal vs Fox expecting, worse case it can't be as bad.
Beal wasn't actually untradeable, PHX had a deal in place at the deadline to move Beal for Butler. Everyone agreed except Beal, full no-trade clause.
Beal was the same age as Fox but was coming off 3x AS in 5 yrs averaged and the face of the franchise. Wash pretty much had to give him a max pre-apron. And Wash was able to move him for a truckload. We have no pressure to fully max Fox, he's not our franchise guy and we're not pot committed to him.
Fox for 4 will be nearly as risky. He is reliant on speed, not a high assist or rebound guy. He gets points and steals from speed, when that goes so does his career. Hopefully that's after his extension, 4 years is very risky because he will be on the wrong side of 30 for 2.5 of those years.
We need him to be a legit Playoff team next yr, hopefully a contender in 2 yrs, then if he's showing any signs of slowing down or injury I'd like to move on. Wash moved Beal 1 yr after his extension at the same age. Maybe a lesson there. We didn't pay much, I'm fine not getting much if Castle can PG or if Fox is declining. If that means he walks for free a few months after turning 30, as an 11 yr vet with lots of miles, I'm cool with that.
Beal has the advantage of being a much, much better shooter, .386 or better on volume every yr he wasn't the featured player, 40+% shooter on 4.5-5 three per as a role player, (Wash w/Wall and Phx), 37.6% overall career on almost 6/per after 6 yrs of straight chucking 3s as the guy. Shooters are more movable than speed reliant scoring PGs who don't assist or bound much who have lost their speed. All this to say, the 2 year extension is ideal because that FA class and our cap.
'28 UFA class currently headlined by Giannis, Joker, D-Mitch & Garland, Ja, Zion, Siakam, KAT, Booker, Sabonis, and lots of role players like Herb Jones and JHart plus olds ready to ring chase. Some of these guys will be locked up but even a 33 y/o Giannis & especially a 32 y/o Joker would be incredible running mates, and Mil, Den, Sac, Mem, Cle might just the cap/asset bed bad enough for several of those guys to walk. Right now, Vassell is our only contract on the books for '28 and he'll be expiring and prolly dumpable that summer. Wemby will be 1 yr into his deal, Castle will be an RFA. Structuring '28 with Wemby and a max cap slot with that FA class sounds more ideal than betting a going on 31 Fox will still have it.
I’m skeptical that they’ll trade Dev (of KJ) before seeing the entire core together with Fox, but I keep coming back to the KCP/MCJ trade idea with Orlando. I know it’s not perfect but it would hit a lot of needs.
He had a down season (mostly bc Orlando’s offense sucks), but last season’s KCP would slot nicely next to Fox and Castle. And MCJ would be that burly big we need off the bench (or even starting).
Then you draft one of Johnson, Nip, or the Lithuanian guard for the offensive firepower of the bench at 8, and BPA at 14.
^^^I think the articles we saw this week are the Spurs telegraphing their plans.
The articles were:
“Devin ready to accept a more supporting role”… translation: he’ll be the 4th option or the 6th man
“Spurs trusting Sochan for a summer of good vibes”… translation: we expect Jeremy to put in a lot of work this offseason and not expect too much out of an extension because he has a lot to prove
“Will Keldon endure another summer of trade rumors”… translation: there are going to be trade rumors, because we’re listening to offers but aren’t sold on trading him.
These stories were spoon fed to the E-N for a reason.
It's not a bad strategy...
You're comparing apples to oranges with this adversity to three max deals. The Suns paid three supermaxes in an era with a stagnant cap that made the yearly raises on their deals hurt a lot. The Spurs will eventually have to pay three regular max to have any chance at a le but will be doing it in an era where the salary cap goes up 10% every year compounded, making every deal they sign effectively a decreasing deal even with max raies. That 10% yearly bump is huge. While the Suns are way over the second apron this year that 10% bump only means they have to clear about $3 million in salary next year to get under the second apron. What the Spurs can't afford is tying up $50 million in useless players like they're doing right now with Vassell and Keldon Johnson.
The Spurs are not going to go anywhere next year if that’s the case. Vassell doesn’t have the game for a role player. He is too stupid to play defense and on offense all he knows how to do is chuck the ball. Horrible role player tbh.
Sochan putting in work doesn’t mean . He’s another moron (though this one is a franchise made moron) who doesn’t know how to play offensive basketball. And he is SCARED to shoot the ball even when he is wide open. You can’t fix that. Dude has made 131 career 3s and is shooting 29% from 3. I don’t want to hear about him working on his three point shot. Idgaf about his spin or his release or his ing elbow angle Spurstalk was investigating for half the summer. Start at the front of the rim. 200 makes. Go to 6 feet. 200 makes. Etc etc etc. ffs him working on his 3 point shot is meaningless when he isn’t comfortable with his shot. Start from the ing basics. Every single day.
And KJ is fine tbh. I see no reason to trade him. Draft Vassells replacement, draft Wolf with the Hawks pick. Sign Naz Reid and call it a day
Clearing capspace to go after stars is a 2010 model of franchise building which doesn't work today when stars can just force trades. The last really big FA signing was Kawhi in 2019 unless you want to count the corpse of Paul George to Philly. You could say Brunson I guess but he was a role player when he signed in NYC. It seems like a sucker bet in 2025 and with a nice core already in place for the next five years in Wemby/Fox/Castle I'd really only treat free agency as a way to pick up role players to round out the roster with the MLE.
Durant is too expensive,
I like him, but are we going to win the le next year with him, for example??
Imagine all these >>>
We get the second or fourth pick,
We get Naz Reid and/or Yabuselle
We get a shooter,
thats it........
Plus some veteran
Goga Bitadze seems like a more plausible target than Gafford. With a healthy Mo Wagner and Wendell Carter next season, he's expendable to the Magic.
Echoing what we have been vehemently screaming. Nice confirm from PATFO.
DV is the new Keldon. Neither have much trade value but can definitely be useful in facilitating a larger deal.
Sochan missed the gravy boat. Become all NBA defense or become the next SloMo.
We’re in agreement that hanging on to hope for the Power of Friendship is going to lead to disappointment, but I feel like the Spurs are going to go another year of trying it out before accepting it (unfortunately)
That's the wrong thing to do unfortunately. I don't see it working out, just wasting more time IMO. I hope I am wrong and the Spurs get a couple of really good/great draft picks to go with it. Plus a good free agent or two.
The SA Express News articles, anyone know if you can read them outside the US?
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