2025 NBA Draft

[Mr. Body]

Fair take, but you didn't mention the biggest issue, which is coaching.
The uncertainty needs to be resolved before the draft night.

RC needs to step in and tell Pop it's time to retire, he's the only one who can do it. Or even have Timmy convince him.
Having Pop still formally in charge with his health issue would be awful, we need to figure out a direction before the draft night and more importantly free agency.

I honestly don't care which style of basketball Spurs go for, as long as it enables them to be a serious contender in a few years.
But we can't complete the roster, mainly that PF position, before we know who's in charge and what's his style of basketball going to be.

As for current roster, my biggest issue is Devin's fit. I don't believe he's the long term scorer we need, but I understand where people who believe in him are coming from.
One thing that's not up for debate for me is him in the starting lineup. If we go with Fox/Castle/Devin we're giving up so much advantage on both ends of the floor.
Players way better than Devin accepted a 6th man role for the sake of winning, he should do the same.

I do agree with the coaching issue, very much, although I think Pop's presence would have really helped the development of players this year. But going forward it's an issue.

My think with Keldon and Vassel -- I don't think they're long term fits. But they are NBA players, and I don't think we're in the place to just get rid of them with nothing sliding in. Same with Sochan. I can see him getting moved, but we can't just lose talent for no reason. Hopefully we can upgrade, but we'd have to do it while they're still there. (Or trade them for a piece.) I'm not too worried about them, tbh. They're fine for now.

[sfernald]

Cody may well turn out fine, I wouldn’t worry about it too much at this phase. I think sometimes we’re too impatient with these kids.

But… I did want Buzelis at 8, and still think that would have been a good pick.

I really wanted Buzelis too at 8. Castle and Buzelis, i recall thinking that would be the perfect draft. They went a different way, but not sure a better way in the long run cause Buzelis looks like he might become a great player and would fit perfectly in the starting lineup.

[BackHome]

Yeah I think your right both had a good year and definitely Buz was a position of need and definitely think they would have played well with each other.

[baseline bum]

I really wanted Buzelis too at 8. Castle and Buzelis, i recall thinking that would be the perfect draft. They went a different way, but not sure a better way in the long run cause Buzelis looks like he might become a great player and would fit perfectly in the starting lineup.

Yeah Buzelis was my second choice at 8 (Holland first), as figured no reason not to swing for the fences on upside with a second pick. Of course I'm thrilled it became Fox instead, especially since Fox was who we all wished Dillingham and Sheppard were.

[scottspurs]

I had Buzelis as my top prospect last year but I also wanted to swing for the fences since the draft was so bad. I viewed last draft as a draft with nobody having all-Star potential. People called it the role player draft but I didn’t even see to many players that even had a defined role. That was a weird draft lol.

[Knoxxx]

Maluach is in just before the deadline. Good news for us, to get other teams to consider him in the top 7.

Tankathon showing 7 to 9 as Maluach, Fears, Newell.

THAT is why there have been so many proposals for us to draft Queen or Jaku at 8, since not too many (nor myself) seem too excited about the 3 above players. So it's not that we are incredibly excited about Queen/Jaku so much as that the other 3 seem more like booby prizes in comparison.

[Knoxxx]

I had Buzelis as my top prospect last year but I also wanted to swing for the fences since the draft was so bad. I viewed last draft as a draft with nobody having all-Star potential. People called it the role player draft but I didn’t even see to many players that even had a defined role. That was a weird draft lol.

I was super solid on Castle at 4. EXCEPT, I was willing to be teased by Shephard dropping simply due to our extreme need for more shooting, also being biased by the fact he was mocking at 3 (which fortunately held up) and that gave me some of the wanting what you can't have bias.

I was totally out on Dilly at 4, since I felt strongly he'd be there at 8 and he weighed 160 pounds or whatever.

I mainly liked Knecht and Edey at 8, but Buzelis would have been fine by me also. I was not entirely convinced Buzelis would be a good NBA shooter, or else I'd have been higher on him.

[Chinook]

Cause you are doing a Chinook impression and contradicting yourself in the same post.

WTF did I do?

[CGD]

I wonder if Nets would be interested in swapping 8 OA + Keldon for early 20 pick and Cam Johnson

Again with Cam Johnson… let it go guys

[rascal]

I wonder if Nets would be interested in swapping 8 OA + Keldon for early 20 pick and Cam Johnson

Brooklyn has 4 first round picks. Doubt they will be trading to add another one at 8 at the cost of Cam Johnson when they already have one at 6.

[KobesAchilles]

I don't know why it's hard to understand plain English.

They're on the same track they were two summers ago. They wanted to see what works around Wembanyama. They did. They wanted to build those pieces in. They are. This year, they wanted to add veterans to help the overall team, but obviously not everything is there yet.

Somehow you are forgetting that this was a team on track to make at worst the play-in in a psychotically hard Western Conference until Wembanyama got hurt and then went down.

In the midst of this, they managed to get a very good older player who raises the talent level and barely gave up anything to get him, in Fox. Which is what you people kept insisting they do -- but wanting give up the farm to do so. Somehow they didn't give up the farm.

Now, people like you want to give up the farm for expensive players who might only serve for a few years. Maybe they should, maybe they will.

But this childish screaming about what's going on is just so completely stupid, to be honest. Why I get a huge laugh at this board. Consistently the people with horrible ideas look back at their horrible ideas, acknowledge them, then get really, really mad when others point out how horrible their current ideas are. Maybe if you keep coming up with horrible ideas, change your approach?

That's neither here nor there. The point is -- this team IS where it needs to be at this point. You just get jumpy because other teams are further along the timeline. The FO is going to add more pieces, but aren't in a big ing rush because 1) they're already a play-in team, 2) some teams in the WC are going to decay very soon, 3) they added a major piece in Fox who will be good for a number of years for nothing.

And, no, to throw fuel on the fire, they're not trading Keldon or Devin 'just because.' That's wild. They're not trading Castle for any imaginable reason. Just hold the on. If you gotta pee, go pee. Don't dance around like a toddler.

So the gist of it, if I have this correct from this long post, is that we are in the same position as 2 years ago. We will be fighting for a play-in spot next year. And you’re ok with bad players with bad habits being on our team bc they are nba players. Gotcha

Castle I would only trade for a top 3 pick. That’s it. DV is a bad player and I would trade him just solely bc he is a losing player who has zero winning skills. He doesn’t play defense, he takes bad contested shots, and he doesnt block out for rebounds nor fight over screens, or pay attention to his man on defense, gives up way too many open 3s and is a black hole on offense. But other than that I have no issue with him. I don’t want to trade Sochan. I just want to offer him $15 million a year compared to others 20-25 million. And KJ I actually like off the bench.

Also nobody (and I mean nobody) was all about trading away everything for one player. That was just you and you’re weird fight against nobody.

[baseline bum]

I was super solid on Castle at 4. EXCEPT, I was willing to be teased by Shephard dropping simply due to our extreme need for more shooting, also being biased by the fact he was mocking at 3 (which fortunately held up) and that gave me some of the wanting what you can't have bias.

I was totally out on Dilly at 4, since I felt strongly he'd be there at 8 and he weighed 160 pounds or whatever.

I mainly liked Knecht and Edey at 8, but Buzelis would have been fine by me also. I was not entirely convinced Buzelis would be a good NBA shooter, or else I'd have been higher on him.

Yeah I was 100% on Castle at 4 with Sheppard my second choice. In the season I wanted Dillingham at 4 until he weighed in at 164 at the combine. Was thinking he would come in around 180 and could maybe be built up to Darius Garland size in a couple of years. But nope, Trae Young size.

[baseline bum]

So the gist of it, if I have this correct from this long post, is that we are in the same position as 2 years ago. We will be fighting for a play-in spot next year. And you’re ok with bad players with bad habits being on our team bc they are nba players. Gotcha

Castle I would only trade for a top 3 pick. That’s it. DV is a bad player and I would trade him just solely bc he is a losing player who has zero winning skills. He doesn’t play defense, he takes bad contested shots, and he doesnt block out for rebounds nor fight over screens, or pay attention to his man on defense, gives up way too many open 3s and is a black hole on offense. But other than that I have no issue with him. I don’t want to trade Sochan. I just want to offer him $15 million a year compared to others 20-25 million. And KJ I actually like off the bench.

Also nobody (and I mean nobody) was all about trading away everything for one player. That was just you and you’re weird fight against nobody.

I don't think I'd trade Castle for Harper and definitely wouldn't trade him for Edgecombe or Bailey. Agreed on wanting to just do addition by subtraction with Vassell. Another reason I'd love to draft Kon, to get an actual shooter in the backup SG/SF role who could work his way into the starting lineup in a year or two.

[spurraider21]

the more i think about it and watch, the less i think the spurs will be in on fleming. dont get me wrong, i still enjoy the player and the fit, and i would be thrilled with us taking him ~13

but he doesn't feel spurs-y. the spurs seem to really hone in on guys who, at the very least, can be connective pieces. looking at other forwards they've drafted in recent years, you have Ingram, Cissoko, Sochan, Samanic, and Keldon. keldon is the only guy in that group who never had a connective, passing element to his game.

he's also a poor ballhandler and despite his shooting% at the rim, he doesnt really have great touch if its not a lay-in/dunk. i think the spurs will shy away from him, even though i think an athletic 3/D big wing is just what the doctor ordered

[RC_Drunkford]

well if we're being honest, Sochan is only a connective piece in theory. The guy really has no real playmaking ability.

[spurraider21]

well if we're being honest, Sochan is only a connective piece in theory. The guy really has no real playmaking ability.

agreed but it was part of his draft profile. his passing was a heavy emphasis. just hasnt manifested in the NBA at all

[Mal]

Brooklyn has 4 first round picks. Doubt they will be trading to add another one at 8 at the cost of Cam Johnson when they already have one at 6.

They wont be adding, they would be swapping 20 OA for 8 OA.

At 8 Spurs should draft for need, that's why I would trade the pick for "need"

[scottspurs]

I keep watching the international prospects and an underrated prospect I like is Neoklis Avdalas. 6’8 guard averaging 8.8 PPG, 40.7% from 3. Similar to Noa Essengue in that he is solid all-around except he is a much better shooter. Just put his name in the draft so he was off my radar and I’ve only found a little bit of film so far but I like what I see. I think he might be a guy that flies up draft boards. I like him more than Saraf. Have to see more film before I can determine how good he is but shows some serious upside.

[scottspurs]

Also Sergio De Larrea one of the better shooting prospects decided to not declare for this draft. Probably a smart move considering how deep this draft class is but yeah you can take him off the board.

[rascal]

They wont be adding, they would be swapping 20 OA for 8 OA.

At 8 Spurs should draft for need, that's why I would trade the pick for "need"

Still adding 8 instead of 20. Not worth it to them at the cost of Cam Johnson.

[rascal]

agreed but it was part of his draft profile. his passing was a heavy emphasis. just hasnt manifested in the NBA at all

This forum was sold on Sochan by people like Mr. Body and others. He was voted the player that this forum wanted out of that draft.
I'm not surprised at all by his play after three years.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

I don't think I'd trade Castle for Harper and definitely wouldn't trade him for Edgecombe or Bailey. Agreed on wanting to just do addition by subtraction with Vassell. Another reason I'd love to draft Kon, to get an actual shooter in the backup SG/SF role who could work his way into the starting lineup in a year or two.

You got it about trading Castle. We will not trade him unless it's for Cooper. Nut nobody trades Cooper. That's why any idea of trading Castle is crazy.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

the more i think about it and watch, the less i think the spurs will be in on fleming. dont get me wrong, i still enjoy the player and the fit, and i would be thrilled with us taking him ~13

but he doesn't feel spurs-y. the spurs seem to really hone in on guys who, at the very least, can be connective pieces. looking at other forwards they've drafted in recent years, you have Ingram, Cissoko, Sochan, Samanic, and Keldon. keldon is the only guy in that group who never had a connective, passing element to his game.

he's also a poor ballhandler and despite his shooting% at the rim, he doesnt really have great touch if its not a lay-in/dunk. i think the spurs will shy away from him, even though i think an athletic 3/D big wing is just what the doctor ordered

I still hold high hope on Fleming.

Bowen wasn't a connector. But he was a vital part of our championship run.

Fleming 's proven shooting and post defense/blocks is too strong to pass.

He will be likely be better than Naz Reid because he is longer, quicker and more bouncy.

Kon and Fleming! Get Naz Reid or Yabusele. Sign another shooter. Championship in two years!

[Mr. Body]

This forum was sold on Sochan by people like Mr. Body and others. He was voted the player that this forum wanted out of that draft.
I'm not surprised at all by his play after three years.

Yeah, he was absolutely the right pick. There were votes for Mark Williams and Ousmane Dieng. Wiliams would have been good, but massive injury problems. Dieng is a complete bust. The only real miss was Jay Wiliiams and we had a glut of guards. I'm pleased to have you point out the good pick!

[exstatic]

I still hold high hope on Fleming.

Bowen wasn't a connector. But he was a vital part of our championship run.

Fleming 's proven shooting and post defense/blocks is too strong to pass.

He will be likely be better than Naz Reid because he is longer, quicker and more bouncy.

Kon and Fleming! Get Naz Reid or Yabusele. Sign another shooter. Championship in two years!

Different era of basketball. We also won a chip with a non-shooting, non-scoring PG, and that would be a non-starter as a prospect these days.