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Nah,man. I’d have been on that train two years ago, but Indy had zero problems getting to the rim at will. He old.
When I mentioned that pick/swap, I was referring to the potential trade with the Wolves.
I said that we could potentially get someone from the Wolves by giving them their assets back as soon as we made the Dillingham trade.
I never mentioned anything about a Giannis trade.
So yeah, if we actually make a trade with the Wolves, they'd be getting a FRP even though it's a swap for us.
As for the protecection, you being anal about a top1 protected pick is exactly what you do.
You're the textbook example of someone who reminded the teacher she forgot about homework when you were a kid.
Nah,man. I’d have been on that train two years ago, but Indy had zero problems getting to the rim at will. He old.
If the Spurs somehow landed Giannis, I would imagine it is something around the realm of 2 2025 FRPs, 2 2027 FRPs to start (or switch out one of the 2027 picks for either a 2029 FRP, 2028 with swap rights with Boston or 2030 with DAL and SAC swap rights (I want to hang on to this one). Players like Vassell, Sochan and Johnson are there to make salaries work, and have nominal value comparatively. With Giannis in place, there is no room for Sochan at all, Vassell I wanted gone either way, and Johnson is likely the only one who may have some promise for the Bucks.
That is a package that could be compe ive against the Rockets, OKCs motherload of picks, or the Portland deal to some degree.
However, with Wemby, Giannis and Fox in place, we would have to manage the cap very closely, and at some point will have to either swap Giannis for some picks back (less picks than we gave up), or Fox.
Assumptions and notes:
- Fox and Wemby will get the 30% max, while Giannis will get the 35% max. Fox's kicks in 26-27, Giannis 28-29 and Wemby 27-28.
- None of them will take a discount
- Starting 28-29, Castle will be eligible for a $30M or so contract, likely up to $40M given the 25% max that year is 51,609,525. If Castle were to make the 25% max, we would be dead, like having $80M to fill in 11 roster spots just to stay under the 2nd apron. To use a worst case/ scenario, I am assuming Castle knocks it out of the park and gets a 25% max extension.
- I used room for 2nd apron as I keep that as the actual hard cap.
- I am new to this, so I likely misinterpreted some cap rules. Please correct me and i will update the sheet.
25-26 26-27 27-28 28-29 29-30 30-31 Cap $154,647,000 $170,112000 $187,123,000 $205,835,000 $226,419,000 $249,061,000 Lux Tax $187,895,000 $206,686,000 $227,354,000 $250,090,000 $275,099,000 $302,609,000 1st Apron $195,945,000 $215,505,000 $237,055,000 $260,762,000 $286,838,000 $315,522,000 2nd Apron $207,824,000 $228,572,000 $251,429,000 $276,572,000 $304,229,000 $334,652,000 Wemby $13,376,880 $16,868,246 $56,136,788 $61,750,467 $67,925,513 $74,718,065 Giannis $54,126,380 $58,456,490 $62,786,601 $72,042,211 $79,246,432 $87,171,076 Fox $37,096,620 $51,033,444 $56,136,788 $61,750,467 $67,925,513 $74,718,065 3 Together $104,599,880 $126,358,180 $175,060,177 $195,543,145 $215,097,458 $236,607,206 3 Together % of Cap 67.64% 74.08% 93.55% 95% 95% 95% Room from 2nd Apron After the 3 $103,224,120 $102,213,820 $76,368,823 $81,028,855 $89,131,542 $98,044,794 Other Committed Contracts $92,845,112 $54,515,920 $37,322,313 $78,609,525 $56,604,594 $62,264,054 Room from 2nd Apron for empty roster spots $10,379,008 $47,697,900 $39,046,510 $2,419,330 $32,526,948 $35,789,740 Open Spots 4 9 10 10 11 11
As you can see, the situation is very manageable with Wemby still under the rookie deal (no surprises there) where there is still over $10M to fill the roster before we hit the 2nd apron. Assuming we keep all the players on contract, which is obviously wrong as we would have to trade out some players to get Giannis, but I am assuming we sign similar players with similar contracts, we would have $10M remaining to sign 4 end of bench guys, which is not an ideal situation as we are talking about the 2nd apron here and this team is a compe ive team, but not a le contender yet, but it is manageable.
Then the situation gets dicey, where we are looking at filling 10 spots using $39M in 27-28, and then 10 spots using $2M in 28-29. Things get a bit of a relief starting 29-30 once Vassell comes off the books.
So, getting rid of Vassell is a must if we were to take on Giannis. The roster also cannot support four of Wemby, Fox, Giannis and Castle, as it is impossible to field a compe ive team using $32M on 11 spots. With Giannis on board, we pretty much have to:
1) Start turning Fox to picks starting 26-27, or get rid of Vassell and Johnson to free up $44.5M in space.
2) Turn Giannis into picks before 28-29 and free up $72M for 10 roster spots, if we were to keep Fox
My mind is set on having Wemby and Castle be the long term pieces, Giannis would be a rental to get 3 years of contention window, and if we can manage the Vassell and Johnson contracts (as in get rid of them and take no long term money back), we can keep Fox, but if we can't, Fox is out the door and turn into picks.
I am not high on having Fox being a 30% max, to be honest. i think he is a 25% max guy. Let's see if the Spurs FO can spin their magic and get him to sign a team friendly deal. Even something of a declining deal starting at $51M, keep it flat or slight decilne would help teh team a LOT.
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Spurs get: Lively + Powell
Mavs get: Sochan and the 2030 pick swap back
Not likely, but I think not a terrible trade for both teams. Obviously very good for the Spurs, but the Mavs would also regain control of their pick in 2030 and would have the freedom to rebuild after AD leaves in the 28/29 season.
The cleanest trade is probably a three teamer with Trae - KD - Vassell. Devin fits into a more a scoring role complementing DD like in the DJ era. PHX gets to go back to a PNR offense with Trae. And SAS get their true wing 4 man.
Giannis is a bidding war there is no leverage unless your holding some MIL picks. He has also 3 years left on that deal his preferred destinations means nothing.
Id normally say there's no chance...then I remember Nico is still there.... we should have a chat with him...
It's gotta be Houston.
The player could also insist on a location, but looks like Gannis still has 3 years on his deal so leverage is lessened. He also doesnt strike me as the type to hold out.
I think Giannis is going to go wherever he wants to go... he may have 3 years, but nobody is giving the farm for a guy who doesn't want to be there....that's his leverage...that said, I have no remote idea where he wants to be
He only has 2 years left, the third is a player option. And he's extension eligible next summer, so he absolutely will dictate where he wants to go. If he doesn't indicate he'll extend no team would pay the hefty trade price to get him.
I wonder if him being a coach killer will have any impact on teams wanting him? I know his talent but isn't he the guy that got Bud and Griffith fired. He has a little bit of that wannabe GM in him doesn't he?
He can't dictate 1 destination with 2 years left and MIL in so much debt with the Dame trade. If multiple teams are involved there would be a bidding war.
Yes, and if he says he'd extend with one team and wouldn't extend with another, then the bidding war will end quickly.
I don't think he'll say he only has one destination and tank his value to hurt the Bucks after all they've done for him. He's not a snake like a certain someone. But he'll absolutely hand them a list of teams and reject other teams outright.
That said, I hope he ends up staying.
So he's the new Isaiah Thomas then and definitely should act fast on deals w/him while he has a job
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