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    The loyalty comments struck me as Spurs-ian.
    Klutch t-shirt?
    Time for Rich Paul to do his thing and get this kid to the Spurs.
    Anunoby and McDaniels comparisons are just what we need.

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    Salaun was always a 2-3 year project. Essengue is farther along tbh, probably only a year in Austin before he's part of the rotation next season.

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    If BKY values Devin would you all do:

    Devin + 14 for pick 8?

    If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

    Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

    Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

    Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?

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    There's a lot of active threads going on. Hard to keep up with the excitement tbh.
    Yeah, Egor Demin, who said he is a point guard, but isn't. I got it mixed up. Sign me up for his size for sure. If he can pass, it's a bonus, but all the more reason to look at him that he will never be the guy running the offense.

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    If BKY values Devin would you all do:

    Devin + 14 for pick 8?

    If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

    Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

    Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

    Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?
    I do this in the quickest of heartbeats. I'd even throw in 38 if needed.

    And if we can do this before the draft, I'd even still be open to trading #8 like we did last year for future picks.

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    Getting Devin off the books at this juncture would be a win all by itself.

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    I do this in the quickest of heartbeats. I'd even throw in 38 if needed.

    And if we can do this before the draft, I'd even still be open to trading #8 like we did last year for future picks.
    Yup - but getting to 8 opens up so much for spurs. I dont even mind having a logjam with Fox/Castle/Harper and Dev….I mind the money for Dev in the situation. So if we can get Tre or Kon with 8 (or use 8 now + a future first to get a guy we want) but now instead of that guy making 27M hes on a rookie deal? Fine by me. Get the talent.

    Or like you said, now you’ve cleared your books and logjam and have a better asset (pick 8) to trade for better future value.

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    Yup - but getting to 8 opens up so much for spurs. I dont even mind having a logjam with Fox/Castle/Harper and Dev….I mind the money for Dev in the situation. So if we can get Tre or Kon with 8 (or use 8 now + a future first to get a guy we want) but now instead of that guy making 27M hes on a rookie deal? Fine by me. Get the talent.

    Or like you said, now you’ve cleared your books and logjam and have a better asset (pick 8) to trade for better future value.
    Only problem I see with this proposal is that I have a hard time imagining that BKN would want to pass on 8 for 14 when they already have 3 other picks at the end of the draft. They'd have to really like Devin. Maybe they do...

    On the other hand I kind of feel better about picking at 14 than I do at 8 so maybe the Nets would feel the same. Fun hypothetical to think about.

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    If BKY values Devin would you all do:

    Devin + 14 for pick 8?

    If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

    Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

    Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

    Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?
    I’m (probably foolishly) still holding out hope for Devin to be a truly positive impact guy, and I don’t think his salary is THAT bad…but yeah I’m probably doing this. Shedding Vassell’s salary and picking up someone like Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel sounds pretty awesome

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    I’m (probably foolishly) still holding out hope for Devin to be a truly positive impact guy, and I don’t think his salary is THAT bad…but yeah I’m probably doing this. Shedding Vassell’s salary and picking up someone like Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel sounds pretty awesome
    His salary is bad considering the role he’d have to play to fit into the rotation and team goals. I’d guess he’s gone but there is a world where he accepts his “demotion” and thrives in it.

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    I’m (probably foolishly) still holding out hope for Devin to be a truly positive impact guy, and I don’t think his salary is THAT bad…but yeah I’m probably doing this. Shedding Vassell’s salary and picking up someone like Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel sounds pretty awesome
    I like Devin and I have no issue with his contract overall. But in a situation where SA has Fox, Castle and now keeps pick 2 and gets Harper? That’s definitely pushing Dev down the minutes list and at his money it makes no sense for Spurs in a reduced role unfortunately

    But hes a good enough player on a good deal where he should have + value. If Im BKY and you have tons of cap space and all it costs to get a solid young player on a good deal when you need to spend money to reach a salary floor anyways is moving back 6 spots in a deep draft where you likely get a good player you like on a cheaper rookie deal (pick 14 vs 8)? I think it can make some sense.

    Or swapping Dev for Cam Johnson.

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    Or swapping Dev for Cam Johnson.
    Cam Johnson isn't what we need.
    We need strong forwards who can rebound.
    Yes, he's a great shooter, but Champagnie is like 70% of Cam Johnson and he's making 7x less money.

    Cam Johnson is a finishing touch player you acquire to get over the hump. He wouldn't make this roster functional on defense.
    We can't get another 6'8 player who's best rebounding season was at 4.4rpg.

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    Cam Johnson isn't what we need.
    We need strong forwards who can rebound.
    Yes, he's a great shooter, but Champagnie is like 70% of Cam Johnson and he's making 7x less money.

    Cam Johnson is a finishing touch player you acquire to get over the hump. He wouldn't make this roster functional on defense.
    We can't get another 6'8 player who's best rebounding season was at 4.4rpg.
    He’s making the same as Devin is the point but has bigger size and shooting

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    He’s making the same as Devin is the point but has bigger size and shooting
    Actually, he's making $7M less than Devin next season.
    He's taller, but doesn't play bigger. Near-identical rebound averages to Devin's.
    If we're going to swap Devin with a player earning the same amount next season, it should be John Collins. But Ainge wouldn't do it.

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    If we're talking about just a straight swap of Devin for Cam... I'm doing that as well.

    Cam has one less year on his deal and makes about $5MM/yr less.

    Cam isn't the forward we need to pair with a 3-guard lineup, but he fits just fine as a 3 if Fox/Castle/Harper are going to be a three guard rotation.

    I kind of view Cam as a slightly better, slightly younger version of Barnes... and Barnes is quite useful.

    Since Devin, if he stays on the team, is likely destined to play out of position as a SF for us... I'd rather have a real SF.

    With that said, I'd rather explore opportunities with an archetype of forward with a little more size and strength... but honestly they are kind of hard to come by. There aren't a lot of Naz/Santi/Lauri/Jollins types out there. I might be more interested in Cam's teammate, Noah Clowney, but I don't know that BKN is quite ready to give him up.

    Edit: Cam actually has two fewer years on his deal than Devin. Even better.
    Last edited by scott; 05-15-2025 at 07:34 PM.

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    Spurs taking Raynaud at 14. Deal with it

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    Brooklyn is in a very nice position this offseason. they have 56 mil in cap space, 30mil more than the next team. they are positioned to make the same types of trades the spurs have in recent years... selling cap space for assets. i dont know if they are going to want to give half of that space to vassell while also losing draft capital

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    The loyalty comments struck me as Spurs-ian.
    Great interview. I like the down to earth demeanor, and his desired player comps are spot on for what we need.

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    If BKY values Devin would you all do:

    Devin + 14 for pick 8?

    If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

    Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

    Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

    Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?
    I can't see Brooklyn doing this. But I can see a good team needing a piece like Vassell.

    For sake of argument, your trade is essentially, overall, trading Devin Vassell and the #14 for the #2 and keeping the #8, in terms of where we started and of course you take that overall. And it depends on who is available. I wouldn't if it means someone like Carter Bryant. But if some freak reason Tre Johnson is there or a Kon Knueppel, players I would have traded up from #8 to get, I would.

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    Vassell is marginal to keep at his salary for sure, but I'd prefer to get a player we need more via trade and to me the draft is flat enough at 8 to 14 actually not to worry about it. I see no more reason to swoon over Bryant if that is who you are after than multiple other prospects. Likely Jaku and Maulach are already gone, pushing down other players we need more anyway.

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    If BKY values Devin would you all do:

    Devin + 14 for pick 8?

    If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

    Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

    Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

    Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?
    I'm driving that wad Vassell to the GD airport.

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    If BKY values Devin would you all do:

    Devin + 14 for pick 8?

    If SA is going to take Harper and there are no trades, Devin making 27M to be relegated to limited minutes with Fox, Harper and Castle around seems sub-optimal. If you can clear all of Devs money and move up 6 spots while doing so? That now opens up these prospects in addition to Harper: Tre Johnson, Fears, Knueppel and Maluach.

    Seems like it would solve a lot of problems. Wipes all of Devins money off books and gets SA a look at the next best tier of players in this draft to add talent as well.

    Or we need to possibly re-allocate Devin’s money since his role will likely be lessened with Fox/Harper/Castle so getting someone that can legit play 3 or 4 for that money makes sense to.

    Would BKY do Cam Johnson + 8 for Dev + 14 + 38 + a future first?
    I’d trade Vassell to move down 6 spots. And I’m only half joking.

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    With the "Glory of Men, Wemby" being with us.....

    and the Triumvirate (Fox, Castle, Harper) set to scorch the NBA

    Might as well experiment with the 14th pick....

    A unique player is Wolf, really, very intriguing skillset

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    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...llas-mavericks

    Chatter at the combine points to Houston (picking 10th), Portland (at No. 11) and San Antonio (picking again at 14th) as teams willing to shop picks in the back half of the lottery for win-now upgrades.

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