Spurs trade ideas

[scott]

Not a Spurs trade idea, but a Giannis idea I saw on Reddit. This might actually be the most realistic blockbuster deal I've seen yet, though I'd probably swap Missi out for someone like Jordan Hawkins, at ATL probably needs to add another pick or two to MIL.

Biggest problem with this proposal is that NOP is already loaded at SF and doesn't need Jalen Johnson... maybe he gets rerouted or they cash in on TMIII or Herb.

[baseline bum]

Not a Spurs trade idea, but a Giannis idea I saw on Reddit. This might actually be the most realistic blockbuster deal I've seen yet, though I'd probably swap Missi out for someone like Jordan Hawkins, at ATL probably needs to add another pick or two to MIL.

Biggest problem with this proposal is that NOP is already loaded at SF and doesn't need Jalen Johnson... maybe he gets rerouted or they cash in on TMIII or Herb.

JFC are the Bucks going to at least make Atlanta wear a condom?

[spurraider21]

Just saw an interesting proposal:

Spurs send #2, #14, and younger talent (Vassell, Sochan, Keldon, etc) for salary matching purposes to the Bucks

The Bucks send Giannis to the Mavs

The Mavs send #1 to the Spurs and a future first to the Bucks

The Bucks would get three first rounders (two in this lottery and one of them which would land them the second best player in this draft) as well as some young talent.

The Mavs would get a player that could help them contend next year and for the next few years. A core of Irving, Giannis, and AD (provided they can stay healthy) would be an immediate contender.

The Spurs get Flagg to join Castle, Fox, and Wemby.

I don't think it would happen for several reasons (there is no indication the Giannis would want to go to Dallas and I think the Bucks try to do right by him) and even if they do get him there the salaries for those three players would cripple their ability to get anyone else to fill the bench. The Bucks could also just work directly with Dallas and cut us out completely. Finally, the Spurs would have to agree to break up friendship which we all know won't happen. But it's a fun scenario to consider.

nothing to you personally, but ive seen versions of this pop up a few times, and tbh i dont understand why people think this is a possibility.

ok, lets assume Nico does something stupid and decides to trade Flagg. and lets assume the Mavs and Giannis decide to part ways

why on earth would the Bucks prefer a package that gets them Harper instead of Flagg if they are looking at a long term reset? just doenst make sense.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't think Boston trades White. But since defense wins championship, Dallas might go for Jrue Holiday.

There’s a very logical trade around Jrue for Washington and Gafford but Mavs have to clean up a little bit before they can execute it. Solves issues for both teams especially since PJ and Gafford can’t be extended at the allowed 140% due to their low value contracts. Maybe Gafford would take a Wendell Carter extension but who knows.

[RC_Drunkford]

You're giving up the best shooter on a team desperate for shooting. I don't know why everyone is so eager to trade Barnes.

I don‘t really want to trade him but he’s on an expiring 19 million dollar deal. I’m pretty sure Brian Wright will try to flip that contract.

[mystargtr34]

There’s a very logical trade around Jrue for Washington and Gafford but Mavs have to clean up a little bit before they can execute it. Solves issues for both teams especially since PJ and Gafford can’t be extended at the allowed 140% due to their low value contracts. Maybe Gafford would take a Wendell Carter extension but who knows.

Both PJ and Gafford have positive trade value, young, quality players on value contracts whereas Jrue is 34yo declining and albatross contract. Boston would have to throw in 3 FRPs to make that deal imo.

I would love for the Spurs to go for Gafford and PJ. But not sure what we can offer, maybe pick 14, Vassell, return the 2030 pick swap.

Edit: ah didn’t realise both PJ and Gafford only have 1 year left on their deals.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Both PJ and Gafford have positive trade value, young, quality players on value contracts whereas Jrue is 34yo declining and albatross contract. Boston would have to throw in 3 FRPs to make that deal imo.

I would love for the Spurs to go for Gafford and PJ. But not sure what we can offer, maybe pick 14, Vassell, return the 2030 pick swap.

Edit: ah didn’t realise both PJ and Gafford only have 1 year left on their deals.

Yeah the problem with Washington and Gafford is that they’re expiring contracts next season and low enough that extending them at 140% seems to be unlikely, so whoever trades for them would expect them to become unrestricted free agents in 2026 when a lot of teams project to have cap space.

[Ice009]

What about the idea of removing the '26 swap, and returning their '27 pick too in exchange for their unprotected 2029 and 2031 firsts? I can see the spurs core being a near finished product about a year from now, and punting the capital down the road a few years could be huge at a time when the Spurs need it most.

Guess it depends on what kind of long term commitment ATL wants to make to Trae Young ($46M this upcoming season and extension eligible, and a $49M player option the next).

Very interesting idea. I wonder if that would make Atlanta better or worse by the time those 2029 and 2031 firsts are due. Obviously we couldn't even guess with it being that far out.

I watched a pod once where they were laughing at KD and Harden for picking Brooklyn. They said that the Nets were less relevant to NY than the Clippers were to LA.

I did not realize Brooklyn are considered that inferior to the Knicks. I thought they were a draw card and may have drawn New York fans when they had a small contention window with KD, and I thought maybe back in the day with Kidd, Kenyon Martin, RJ, Vince Carter (can't remember who else they had off the top of my head) they may have also drawn fans/viewership.

Yeah the problem with Washington and Gafford is that they’re expiring contracts next season and low enough that extending them at 140% seems to be unlikely, so whoever trades for them would expect them to become unrestricted free agents in 2026 when a lot of teams project to have cap space.

Yeah, darn. So if trading for either of those guys (Washington or Gafford), you'd have a lot of compe ion to try and re-sign them so you'd like have to overpay, or would the Spurs not be able to match offers even if they wanted to?

[Trueblood]

nothing to you personally, but ive seen versions of this pop up a few times, and tbh i dont understand why people think this is a possibility.

ok, lets assume Nico does something stupid and decides to trade Flagg. and lets assume the Mavs and Giannis decide to part ways

why on earth would the Bucks prefer a package that gets them Harper instead of Flagg if they are looking at a long term reset? just doenst make sense.

No offense taken and you’re not wrong at all. I even said that in there when I said they would probably just work directly with Dallas. But there’s always a chance that they see the gap between Flagg and Harper as smaller than others do and the idea of getting 14 in this draft along with Harper as a better option. It’s a long shot but this is the same genius that thought a broken down 30 year old AD was better than having an MVP caliber Luka so you never know ����#♂️. In the end Dallas could offer the better player (Flagg), OKC could offer a better package (they have more picks long term), and Houston can offer better players (Segun and Green), but we are able to offer the best combination of all three. We could give them Harper, solid future picks (including another lottery pick), and starting caliber players (Vassell, Johnson, Sochan). It just comes down to what they would want. Do they want BPA, draft capital, win now players, or a bit of all three?

[baseline bum]

I don‘t really want to trade him but he’s on an expiring 19 million dollar deal. I’m pretty sure Brian Wright will try to flip that contract.

I hope not. Trade Keldon and if HB has another good season like last one sign him to a new deal.

[DPG21920]

It wont happen, but would love something like:

SA Gets: Cam Johnson + Wendell Carter + Pick 19 + Pick 27

ORL Gets: Fox + Branham

BKY Gets: KCP + Pick 16 (ORL has this year) + ORL 27 + ORL 31 + multiple 2nds

ORL gets their lead guard they really need but it cost them Carter Jr + 3 firsts

BKY gives up Cam + pick 19 + pick 27 to take on KCP, but they move up from pick 19 to 16 this year and get 2 unprotected additional firsts and multiple 2nds for giving up pick 27 + Cam + eating KCP

Spurs give up Fox get two solid players to help while clearing a logjam of Fox/Castle/Harper and recoup 2 of the 3 firsts they lost in Fox deal (rest of value is recouped via Wendel + Cam)

scott thoughts on this?

[rascal]

Trade Vassell to Chicago for the 12th pick and draft Sorber

With the 14th pick draft either McNeeley or Fleming

[cutewizard]

Say by a miracle we obtain Naz Reid .......so

Wemby
Naz Reid
Fox
Castle
Harper

Maxime
Sochan
Barnes
Champagne
Back up Point

Compe ive!!!!

[mo7888]

Say by a miracle we obtain Naz Reid .......so

Wemby
Naz Reid
Fox
Castle
Harper

Maxime
Sochan
Barnes
Champagne
Back up Point

Compe ive!!!!

Considering that one of Castle or Harper is the PG in the rotation with the 2nd unit, that is a pretty balanced lineup.

[montgod]

scott thoughts on this?

Not that I am for this trade at all, but SA isn't getting enough back for Fox and wouldn't want WC.

[baseline bum]

It wont happen, but would love something like:

SA Gets: Cam Johnson + Wendell Carter + Pick 19 + Pick 27

ORL Gets: Fox + Branham

BKY Gets: KCP + Pick 16 (ORL has this year) + ORL 27 + ORL 31 + multiple 2nds

ORL gets their lead guard they really need but it cost them Carter Jr + 3 firsts

BKY gives up Cam + pick 19 + pick 27 to take on KCP, but they move up from pick 19 to 16 this year and get 2 unprotected additional firsts and multiple 2nds for giving up pick 27 + Cam + eating KCP

Spurs give up Fox get two solid players to help while clearing a logjam of Fox/Castle/Harper and recoup 2 of the 3 firsts they lost in Fox deal (rest of value is recouped via Wendel + Cam)

Thank god it won't happen, Fox for Cam Johnson is ri ulous.

[baseline bum]

Trade Vassell to Chicago for the 12th pick and draft Sorber

With the 14th pick draft either McNeeley or Fleming

Would be nice to keep going to that Chicago well.

[RC_Drunkford]

A back up C and a starting PF is all we need to be compe ive

[scott]

scott thoughts on this?

I think that's a pretty solid return for BKN and ORL, but I don't like it for us (leaving aside that I see no way we trade Fox at this point). This certainly rounds out or team a little more, and gives us several opportunities to take fliers at some of the mid/late FRP big wings I like, but I just can't imagine the Spurs resetting the timeline like this in Wemby's third year.

If we ignore the complications with trading Fox right now, I'd normally be okay with trading Fox (and I'm a huge Fox fan), but I'd want a better vet for him than Cam and WC. I personally believe Fox is a top 25-35 player, so I'd want someone in that approximate range back. (The Ringer has Cam as the #72 player... that seems about right to me. I'm not that high on Cam).

[Dverde]

Nurkic worthless nowadays? One year of Nurk at 19M to ship out 2 years of Keldon at 17.5M?

[mo7888]

Nurkic worthless nowadays? One year of Nurk at 19M to ship out 2 years of Keldon at 17.5M?

Yes...he's worthless...more than that actually...he's a large negative value player now..

[LeBowen]

Nurkic worthless nowadays? One year of Nurk at 19M to ship out 2 years of Keldon at 17.5M?

He's a re , don't want him anywhere near our team.

[DPG21920]

Thank god it won't happen, Fox for Cam Johnson is ri ulous.

Spurs traded Tre + Collins for Fox. Cam + WCJ >>>>> Tre + Collins


Spurs traded 3 firsts for Fox and here are getting back 2

I think in that context it’s fair enough

[DPG21920]

I think value wise spurs did well on Fox deal but they really going to max Fox now that they have Harper + Castle.

2 years from now they may be better than Fox and now it’s a massive contract on books.

Resetting the picks you gave up (sa can trade 14, 19 & 27 for future picks) while making team better (adding Cam + WCJ) and not having a Fox max deal forced on the books given we unexpectedly got Harper seems prudent in many ways to me even if not ideal.

Would spurs have done the Fox deal if they knew they had pick 2 before? I’m not sure they would so if that’s true how do you pay Fox out of loyalty and force yourself into that corner vs doing what’s best for franchise?

[scott]

I think most of us are of the opinion (right or wrong) that the logic of trading Fox is irrelevant, because there is a hidden cost of trading him now: you'll probably piss off every agent in the league, but you'll definitely piss off Rich Paul. Maybe a big market team could get away with it, but I don't think the Spurs can afford to screw over a guy who just forced his way to us.