Not to mention, he's got the mileage of a 33 year-old on a 29 yo body. Celtics been going deep in the playoffs every year since he got drafted (2016). I won't be surprised if, like Tatum, his ACL/Achilles pops off soon (his meniscus is already cracking). As far as Spurs are concerned, that 2028 Boston swap has suddenly some big time potential.
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The meniscus thing makes me not want to even trade dead contracts for him. Tim was injured relatively early in his career, had the meniscus shaved and smoothed, and went on to have a long career. He was not a high flyer though. Brown is, so his career could end relatively shortly.
Any word as to Harper interviewing and/or working out for the Spurs? Other teams?
Intuition
I posted here somewhere that we either get 2nd or 4th , so bingo
Now, I'll trust my intuition again
Harper will be Rookie of the Year
I don't know how....but you'll see hehehe
So... In terms of Usage rates, which admittedly are just another stat.
Fox in his prime at Sacramento had about a 30% USG rate, this year at SAS he was at 26% USG.
Victor was at a 30% USG rate this year.
Castle was at a 26% USG rate, although he was at about a 22% USG in college.
Dylan Harper was at a 29% USG rate at Rutgers.
USG formulates how many possessions a player finishes, whether a field goal attempt (whether it goes in or not), free throw attempts, or a turnover. It's this: 100*((Player’s Field Goal Attempts)+0.44*(Player’s Free Throw Attempts)+(Player’s Turnovers))*(Team’s Total Minutes)
Obviously something has to give, if all four of these players start. (Harrison Barnes was at a 15% USG rate this season.) I'd expect Wemby's usage to dip at least slightly. His first year, he was at 32% USG, so already dipped about 2% as Castle and Fox became more involved. Castle, I believe, can handle less of a load, more like his college rate. Fox may have to be happy with a bit of a reduced role -- his scoring/shots went down already over his Kings days, and I don't expect them to go back up.
If you stagger guard line-ups, you get more touches, but I don't think it's going to make-up for the shortfall. I don't expect Harper would be getting that many finishing touches right away (30%), but the issue will persist until something gives along the line, such as Fox, Castle, or Harper getting moved.
Tim’s game changed after his meniscus tear. The technology exists nowadays to repair & regrow the damaged cartilage, but you have to stay off it for about a year to allow the stem cells & HGH to work their magic. No way to agree to a trade like that.
I remember Tim being really good athletically. Not sure if it was the meniscus or not that caused him to lose some of it?
Interesting what you've said about the current technology. So if you take enough time, and do those treatments you mentioned, it can repair (is that close to 100% in that cause if doing stem cells and HGH - Is this kind of stuff even allowed?)?
And yeah, not interested in that trade at all.
What will happen with Vassell’s usage rate? He was 21.7% last season. Do you expect him to start at 3 with Fox and Castle at 1 and 2? I take that Dylan could be the 1st backup PG coming from the bench, but not for long.
Would Vassell embrace a supporting role like Keldon did?
I figure Barnes will start, but I have no idea. I do see why Harper's camp might not be too happy, but maybe they're not.
Honestly, all these camps, private development staff, family and whoever.
He wants to be in the league? He lucked into being drafted to a team with soon to be the best player in the league.
If he's got the right mentality he'll do whatever is needed. If he doesn't, he'll be a bust and someone who'll be good only for putting up empty numbers on losing teams.
The Spurs ran a very fast pace last season & produced some early leads they were unable to maintain when they started slowing down. Adding Harper to the mix may really help them maintain the fast pace longer and hold onto early leads better. Having 3 fast guards running back the break may give Wemby a rest if he doesn’t have to even cross half court on more plays.
Going up against Castle in practice is going to make Harper so much better. Spurs just need someone better to set them screens.
I think he'll be more than fine. I do think they'll need to figure out what to do with Fox before long, however.
Fox/Harper/Castle rotation will be fine for a couple of seasons.
We'll have to start figuring stuff out when Castle's extension kicks in.
Right now we'd just be talking whataboutisms because we have no clue about Castle's and Harper's ceiling.
My view is give him his contract, but be prepared to move him in the summer of 2028 if the 3 guard thing doesnt pan out.
I don't think they can max him. It'll be interesting.
I think the compromise will be a 3+1 max, option would be for 29-30 season.
Max would be in his age 29, 30, 31 seasons and option would be for the summer when Harper's extension kicks in.
By then he may see the writing on the wall and realize his next paychecks are coming from a bigger role on another team. We'll see!
Nah they almost certainly promised him a 4 year max or a 3+1 max when they traded for him. Maybe even a 5 year max though hopefully it was the 4 or 3+1. Thankfully the 10% cap bumps every year mean year 4 will be a little less than 28% of the cap even if they give him the max 8% raises so it's not the Phoenix situation where a stagnant cap makes your max deals more expensive over time.
yep, there's going to be a lot of iron sharpening iron between those guys
I certainly hope winning championships would change his mind. The Big 3 did and sacrificed salary to keep the gang competing. But that will be the challenge
The injury of Tatum and Brown will help Dylan Harper to be determined to join the spurs.
Spurs is the best in preserving players,
I'll not be surprised if both Harper and Castle play for 15+ years.
Are we really pretending fox isn’t a top 25 player ( re-familiarize yourselves )? Money aside, neither castle or Harper are near his level! Let the young bucks grow while fox & Wemby do the heavy liftingit’s the natural order
Brunson just did it in NYC….
Fox definitely isn't a top 25 player.Are we really pretending fox isn’t a top 25 player ( re-familiarize yourselves )? Money aside, neither castle or Harper are near his level! Let the young bucks grow while fox & Wemby do the heavy lifting
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