The Well-Worn Park Bench of Chris Paul

[quentin_compson]

I dont know if I'd really want CP3 as a coach right now. He obviously is incredibly smart about the game of basketball, but that doesnt necessarily mean he would make a great coach. I always chuckle a little when I see JJ Re being all hard-ass in these coaches interviews between quarters - and I would say the early returns for his coaching don't look bad. But with this mostly young team full of mostly career losers, I don't know I'd want the next head coach to be a first time head coach.
My pipe dream as of right now is still Will Hardy.

[spurraider21]

I don't recall if there have been rule changes (so please educate me if this is obvious), but doesn't it make sense to keep him on the books for a possible draft day trade? He's a 10M expiring, and that's gotta have some value if the Spurs want to overpay someone to move up in the draft.

well he's an expiring now. his contract expires when the season ends. so he cant be used in a draft day trade

now, if he does stick around through the end of his deal, we theoretically could sign and trade him when free agency opens up after the draft. but that presumes a team wanting to sign him that doesnt have cap space (or exception) to sign him to his market value. i dont see it happening.

if the spurs dont want him back next season, their best move is to waive him. let him go play elsewhere where he can have an impact. drive us further toward the tank we're already heading toward. give fox/castle backcourt time to figure itself out (unless they shut down fox)

and give Wesley more opportunities since he's under contract for next year anyway

[Strategic]

Looks like Paul made it past the buyout deadline. Either nobody wanted him, or what?

[Ice009]

Looks like Paul made it past the buyout deadline. Either nobody wanted him, or what?

I was holding out hope he might be bought out still. Oh well. If it wasn't for "the promise", I'd be cool with him staying, so I guess we'll see going forward how the minutes are distributed.

[exstatic]

Looks like Paul made it past the buyout deadline. Either nobody wanted him, or what?

He has to want to be bought out, and the Spurs would have to agree. THEN you get to who wants him.

[poopbox]

Looks like Paul made it past the buyout deadline. Either nobody wanted him, or what?

Why would anyone want a 39 year old point guard who can barely move?

No other team ever wanted Chris Paul. That's why he is in San Antonio

[objective]

Looks like Paul made it past the buyout deadline. Either nobody wanted him, or what?

Dunc'd On podcast had speculated that his bird rights might be worth more to his goals in a trade by just staying with SA

If he wants more than the minimum, he's out of luck as a free agent because contenders will want to use their mle on better younger players. But he can do a sign and trade with the Spurs for a raise on this year's money and then get traded, especially if a team has a trade exception.

If he had been bought out he'd be making the minimum and only able to get a raise off that number instead

[dn0774]

If CP3 is still on the Spurs next year with his “starter promise” intact it would be a disaster.

[The Truth #6]

In the Memphis game, I don't think I saw him at all in the fourth quarter which is the only part I watched... Was he injured, or did our interim coach just put on his big boy pants and not play him?

[CGD]

Can someone please remind me again: can CP3’s contract be used in a draft day deal under the new CBA rules?

And if so, does that mean it could be used to offer the receiving team cap relief for the next season?

For example, if we trade Keldon/CP3 for Jru Holiday/assets? Would that help Boston get 10M in relief next year?

[Chinook]

Can someone please remind me again: can CP3’s contract be used in a draft day deal under the new CBA rules?

And if so, does that mean it could be used to offer the receiving team cap relief for the next season?

For example, if we trade Keldon/CP3 for Jru Holiday/assets? Would that help Boston get 10M in relief next year?

Nope. If he had signed a one-and-one, then he could have opted in and been traded. But as a regular expiring, he can't be. Even in that case, his full salary would have been guaranteed and stayed on Boston's books.

[cutewizard]

Come back as Assistant Coach......

[CGD]

Nope. If he had signed a one-and-one, then he could have opted in and been traded. But as a regular expiring, he can't be. Even in that case, his full salary would have been guaranteed and stayed on Boston's books.

Thanks

[Dverde]

Rumors are Mavericks are thinking about adding him to fill in for Kyrie and mentor Flagg. If he wants to start games this makes sense for him.

[John B]

Rumors are Mavericks are thinking about adding him to fill in for Kyrie and mentor Flagg. If he wants to start games this makes sense for him.

That really makes a lot of sense for both. I wonder if Spurs should resign CP3 just to mess that up

[Ice009]

That really makes a lot of sense for both. I wonder if Spurs should resign CP3 just to mess that up

Well, I don't care about him actually leaving that much, I care more about him giving a division rival extensive scouting reports on Victor, Stephon and all those guys and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

[Truckules]

As far as I can tell, Dallas will almost certainly be a first apron team when free agency opens. That means the most they can offer CP3 is the taxpayer MLE which is only $5.6 million. The Spurs can offer $12.5 million via non-Bird rights so unless CP3 covets a starting role, I don't see why he'd take that much less money.

[CGD]

He gone

[Dex]

Rumors are Mavericks are thinking about adding him to fill in for Kyrie and mentor Flagg. If he wants to start games this makes sense for him.

While it makes sense (in a sense, if that makes sense?)...the Mavs aren't contending without Kyrie next year, period. The only reason for him to go to Dallas would be minutes.

He's already talked about how he misses being near his family, and I do think he will value a chance to win a ring...so Dallas would be a weird fit in that regard. Probably more like for him to go to the Lakers or something.

[Dverde]

[cd021]

As far as I can tell, Dallas will almost certainly be a first apron team when free agency opens. That means the most they can offer CP3 is the taxpayer MLE which is only $5.6 million. The Spurs can offer $12.5 million via non-Bird rights so unless CP3 covets a starting role, I don't see why he'd take that much less money.

With Fox, Castle, and Harper, there just isn't many guard minutes to go around. Even if he wants to return, I don't think it makes sense given how little he'd play.

[lefty20]

Well, I don't care about him actually leaving that much, I care more about him giving a division rival extensive scouting reports on Victor, Stephon and all those guys and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

This is a fair concern. But I'm not sure how much that info can help the Mavs(or anyone else), assuming they have a competent advance scouting department. Those guys have so many hours of footage on Vic and Steph to breakdown and figure out what their weaknesses are.

We fans, not just you in particular, tend to overlook how much really goes on behind the scenes with these pro teams. For example below is an excerpt from a very insightful Shane Battier article..

“…people often say that Kobe Bryant has no weaknesses to his game, but that’s not really true. Before the game, Battier was given his special package of information. ‘He’s the only player we give it to,’ Morey says…

The data essentially broke down the floor into many discrete zones and calculated the odds of Bryant making shots from different places on the court, under different degrees of defensive pressure, in different relationships to other players — how well he scored off screens, off pick-and-rolls, off catch-and-shoots and so on. Battier learns a lot from studying the data on the superstars he is usually assigned to guard.

For instance, the numbers show him that Allen Iverson is one of the most efficient scorers in the N.B.A. when he goes to his right; when he goes to his left he kills his team.
The Golden State Warriors forward Stephen Jackson is an even stranger case. ‘Steve Jackson,’ Battier says, ‘is statistically better going to his right, but he loves to go to his left — and goes to his left almost twice as often.’
The San Antonio Spurs’ Manu Ginóbili is a statistical freak: he has no imbalance whatsoever in his game — there is no one way to play him that is better than another. He is equally efficient both off the dribble and off the pass, going left and right and from any spot on the floor.

Edit : Link

https://www.interbasket.net/news/nba...aknesses/1062/

[RC_Drunkford]

I just hope we can somehow sign and trade CP3 to get some assets or a player in return

[Seventyniner]

I just hope we can somehow sign and trade CP3 to get some assets or a player in return

The Spurs only have his non-Bird rights. I think it restricts Paul's first year salary to 120% of last year's, or around $13M. I doubt any team would want to pay him more than that. His contract would also have to be at least 3 years with a minimum of one guaranteed year. There might be some over-38 rule interaction there which could cause problems, but I'm not enough of a CBA expert to know.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs only have his non-Bird rights. I think it restricts Paul's first year salary to 120% of last year's, or around $13M. I doubt any team would want to pay him more than that. His contract would also have to be at least 3 years with a minimum of one guaranteed year. There might be some over-38 rule interaction there which could cause problems, but I'm not enough of a CBA expert to know.

yeah every team could sign him outright but there are apron teams like Dallas that want to load off salary, so maybe they can work something out