For the anti-KD crowd, are you concerned about the shooting from a Fox-Castle-Harper 3 guard lineup? If so, doesn’t the shooting from KD and Wemby balance that all out, meaning you could run a lineup of Fox/Harper/Steph/KD/Wemby and have the floor spaces for 3 point of attack guards with the ability to finish at the rim or kick out to Wemby or KD?
Not anti-KD, at all, but I've kind of evolved my thoughts on the Fox-Castle-Harper combo. I certainly want to see how this might scheme out with all three on the floor with Victor and another, but the thought of being able to have near 100% coverage on the court with two out of three on the floor at all times is what really sold me. If Harper can get up to speed quickly, and if Castle continues his ascent, we should be carving up 2nd units on the regular. Gawt Damn I'm excited!
Denial about the factual situation from last season?
Its not 2004 or 2014 anymore. The NBA is less physical than ever, and great shooters are playing longer.
Is Dirk a good comp? He was still very good at 37 and a very solid role player/good to great shooter through 39. 8 yrs ago.
Curry is one yr younger, still the best shooter in basketball today. Easily. Still top15.
Lebron still a Top15 today at 40.
Durant just put up the 13th best True Shooting in the NBA, 12 best 3%, 2nd best volume 3pt shooter, Top20 Blk%. He is still elite and worse case he's a rental that gets us off of Vassell.
Yes, people are in denial about how times change and how sports medicine and nutrition have prolonged careers.
35 y/o Harden just made All-NBA, along with 36y/o Curry, and 40y/o Lebron. They are all still elite and so is Durant. He is the best shot maker ever, maybe he falls apart or maybe he give you one more very good season or two and a very solid season, like Dirk did to 39y/o. Or maybe he entirely keeps up the shooting playing 30ish mpg kinda like Lebron who had his 3rd best shooting season ever at 39y/o.
The denial is real. He's an expiring that gets you off of Vassell, very little downside if the price is right. I'm not giving up 1st for him, but #14 and Vassell based- yes ALL day.
Yeah some of these anti-KD takes are just absurd. Dude just averaged 27 ppg on 64 TS% and you want him to take a backseat to Castle and Harper?
KD would be the 2nd best player on our team and arguably the best offensive player on our team (depends on whether Victor takes another step forward probably). I agree there are concerns about how the offense is going to run and I don’t fault anyone for saying they’d rather spend the ~50MM+ in salary filling out multiple roles rather than one guy…but let’s not act like KD wouldn’t be a huge addition on this team.
I hope for you you’ll be the first to be lucky, cause she’s 90 years old so almost dead
Spurs literally had the best defensive rating lineup in the NBA with Wemby the last 15 games he played in.
What are you talking about build around KD? Getting KD is building the roster around Wemby, your best player.
I think you guys just skip to the part where Wemby is a going to be a great offensive player, not really admitting that he still needs help to reach that, as the legend chinook said there no player in the league past or present to better to pair him with than Durant who he modeled his offense after and who shares the same difficulty with his height and frame and would free him from the tough matchup and he needs favorable matchup to build confidence and reps. Some would rather have John Collins and late lottery picks, imagine justifying the logic of that to wemby, probably curses you in french. He would think his GM is a re like the new no.1 re in this board in duncanXXXmanu fan.
Literally nothing negative about Durant. Theres people arguing that the 50 million would beyter suit the 8th and 9th guy on the bench that will never get playing time. It's like they've never seen a Spurs game. The days of your backup 5 playing big minutes is long gone. Can't believe people want to prioritize backups over your starting lineup. These takes are getting wild.
All good points and I get all that...IF....A big IF the spurs only pay vassell and the #14 - yes ...that would be fine.
My point is that durant is pretty much done physically - but would love to be proven wrong...but father time is still undefeated.
also...
1) I dont think other teams would stand by and allow the spurs to land durant that cheaply...but if it happened im fine with that
and
2) durants health would still end up biting the spurs sooner or later...but hey...if the cost is #14 and vassell - sure.
They have to trade more contracts than just Vassell. Durant will make $54M next year, and Vassell will make $27M.
Yup
and that is why im not high on durant and his overall cost...not to mention:
are we absolutely sure Wemby is ok with this? Or if this is even good for wemby?
I would argue that we have the GOAT/Future GOAT in wemby...why are we looking for another star to take away wembys shots/development?
Another reason why Giannis is not a great idea - except maybe on paper - but not sure if it translates well on the court?
Durant for 14, vassell, Johnson and future picks/swaps
Like the Durant trade idea more than other scenarios ie giannis
Any reasonable deal that doesn't touch castle harper wemby fox .. make it so
thats fine tbh. you can always hit him on the trail like we've done with wemby. you rarely have 4-5 guys flying down separate lanes on fastbreaks. its usually 2-3 guys most and then the other 2 trail
Vassell + Keldon/Barnes + Branham gets it done
Yeah, there have been a number of scenarios and contract matches. He was just saying ONLY Vassell,and I was pointing out that wouldn’t work.
Durant's the original instagramaballa but he put team usa on his back time and time again
wow a 15 game sample size. I can do the same thing the other was around:
Spurs also had the 6th best offense in March. So what does Mitch need KD for? Matter of fact, he doesn't even need Wemby, since Wemby didn't play in march.
If we get KD we still need complementary pieces who can rebound the damn ball and play defense. It ain't rocket science. And one in line up is not playing the entire 48 minutes.
I'm not even against aquiring KD. As long as he's ok with a 2-year extension for 30 million per year. But if that's the case put the Dallas swap and 3-4 second rounders up to add on to that. Sign a Jake LaRavia or trade for PJ Washington to get you some 3-and-D help to pair KD with in the front court.
Worth trading for KD just to have him set up 6 ALTs here on ST.com
Haha, yeah I meant PPG, sorry for being ambiguous. But I want him to neither play 30mpg, nor score 30ppg, so we agree either way
Indeed we don't need him to score anywhere near that. I honestly think KD is one of those "gravity-pull" superstars like Steph, where even the threat of his shot is enough to create massive space, since defenses will always have to respect his jumper.
I honestly can't imagine him complaining about minutes nor usage at this point in his career, especially coming from a Phoenix team where his two co-stars were both "on-ball" kind of players. He should have little trouble adapting to our core, and the Spurs can sell him on extending his career by managing his minutes and workload given the number of young players the Spurs will be working with.
Just a good fit all around, tbh.
This is it for me, as well. Truly the tipping point that makes the whole thing worth it, price tag and age be damned.
Good vet presences, especially those who reached the peak of basketball heights, are invaluable to a young and learning team. I don't care if Durant's body doesn't hold as well as it did 10 years ago - his experience, wisdom, training regime, even his training drills are all extremely valuable for the Spurs' young players to learn from.
I don't think Durant's value is only expressed in his on-the-court production..... And he's a very productive player. That's saying something.
Plot twist, he has been here all along!
since it seems to be 50/50 let's see how that would look cap wise:
Spurs trade Vassell, Barnes and #14 for Kevin Durant. Spurs are 11 million under the cap, so they can absorb the rest of the salary, helping Phoenix to lower their tax bill.
KD agrees to a 2-year 30 million dollar extension in 2026. Fox gets a 30% max extension (Spurs might be able to negotiate a slightly lower amount). Sochan gets the projected 33/3 extension, frontloaded (Spurs will probably pay him more).
that would look really good. Still got the 14.1 million MLE as well as the 5.1 million BAE to bring some more players in.
I'd use part of the MLE on Jake LaRavia who's gonna get a deal similar to Sochan I assume. We obviously need a back up C. Brook Lopez would be out of our price range, so I'd go with Clint Capela for 5.1 million. If Horford or Adams are available for that amount I'd rather get them, but I believe they would cost more.
Since we need to be really cost controlled on the back end of the roster I would love to aquire a late first from Brooklyn for a Rasheer Fleming, if he falls, or a McNeeley. Otherwise trade up into the early second round and get a 3rd string C like Kalkbrenner.
Sign a shooter like Riley Minnix to a Champagnie deal. Leave one roster spot open for the trade deadline. We'd be about 2.8 million under the tax line.
something like that would be decent. What I'd really want to do in this scenario is get rid of Keldon, Branham and Wesley as well. Put the Dallas swap up and try to get PJ Washington and a better back up C than Capela. Then we're really talking about a playoff run, but I guess that would be wishful thinking. There's no way we're replacing 10 players in one offseason.
It would suck if Barnes is let go after his solid season both on and off the court...
For a 37 year old on his last legs....just would leave a horrible taste.
Yeah I would rather let Keldon go than Barnes
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