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    This is true but it's debatable if they're going to be the same level of prospects. Say, Labaron Philon, who's a fringe 1st round pick and returned to school, doesn't have a great season - similarly to someone like Hunter Sallis a few years back. After 2, 3 years when he's older and enters the draft he'll be a different level of prospect, compared to freshman Philon.

    Of course it can work both ways for different players. Some will be better, some will be worse, but we know that freshmen are generally given the benefit of the doubt more than seniors and are taken higher. It's not an exact science and it's difficult to project how it'll go, so it'll be interesting to see.
    They are also risking a catastrophic injury for a one-year NIL payment. NBA rookie scale contracts are two years guaranteed, and just about any rookie with a pulse gets the third year picked up.

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    all they got to do is give 2nd round picks guaranteed $$. or allow renentry to college but your rights stay with team. the type of players getting NIL money are not second rounds picks right? or is there $$$ in mid major programs i don't know about

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    If the NBA used the gleague like true minor league baseball then you probably have better success

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    There’s definitely a good chance the Blazers will pick Fleming as their 4 project to replace Jerami Grant.

    They could then eventually move Camara to the 3 and Avdija can basically play anywhere even as the 2.

    But we’ll see.

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    There’s definitely a good chance the Blazers will pick Fleming as their 4 project to replace Jerami Grant.

    They could then eventually move Camara to the 3 and Avdija can basically play anywhere even as the 2.

    But we’ll see.
    I like all of Fleming, McNeeley and Newell for the Spurs pick at 14 so I expect Portland to draft one of them.

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    Hoopshype Workout tracker Update - Spurs

    * Javon Small
    https://www.nbadraft.net/players/javon-small/

    * Obinna Anochilli
    https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/obi...couting-report

    * Cam Carter
    https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/cam-...couting-report

    * Zeke Mayo
    https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/zeke-mayo/


    Notable that all (sans Anochilli) are considered sub-athletes per position but seem to have a high BB IQ and solid perimeter shooting skills according to reports.

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    Spurs going deep on their "UDFA's who will accept a two-way if we just use our SRP on them instead of taking a real prospect" options

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    Spurs going deep on their "UDFA's who will accept a two-way if we just use our SRP on them instead of taking a real prospect" options
    hope they dont do this dumb ,Cause they are commited to branham,wesley or bassey.Time to move on from them
    and bring in new young guys to try to develop.Draft the best player at 38 if hes a big or foward and give them
    a first round deal if they must.

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    If it wasn't for this amazing luck the Spurs have gotten in the drafts, their constant cheapness could cost the Spurs Victor at some point. I saw somewhere the other day that OKC roster has second round picks and even some undrafted guys. Spurs need to start taking the second round a lot more seriously. Not wasting time and money on players like Branham and then in-turn not trying out other guys instead. Always burning those second round picks cause they're letting guys have roster spots that shouldn't have had their options picked up.

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    Fleming's best fit would be Indiana. He would be amazing on that roster.

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    hope they dont do this dumb ,Cause they are commited to branham,wesley or bassey.Time to move on from them
    and bring in new young guys to try to develop.Draft the best player at 38 if hes a big or foward and give them
    a first round deal if they must.
    Spurs really have a hard time parting with their draft picks.

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    If it wasn't for this amazing luck the Spurs have gotten in the drafts, their constant cheapness could cost the Spurs Victor at some point. I saw somewhere the other day that OKC roster has second round picks and even some undrafted guys. Spurs need to start taking the second round a lot more seriously. Not wasting time and money on players like Branham and then in-turn not trying out other guys instead. Always burning those second round picks cause they're letting guys have roster spots that shouldn't have had their options picked up.
    OKC got filthy luck too. They were gifted the only reason they're in contention.

    And the supposed cheapness has let them get Fox and still be flexible at this point.

    And some of their picks didn't pan out. OKC traded Sengun and drafted Pokusevski and Ousmane Dieng. And we're not getting rid of Branham and Wesley. There's no need, they're still on cheap ending contracts.

    These takes are boring, misinformed, and just completely whiny.

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    If it wasn't for this amazing luck the Spurs have gotten in the drafts, their constant cheapness could cost the Spurs Victor at some point. I saw somewhere the other day that OKC roster has second round picks and even some undrafted guys. Spurs need to start taking the second round a lot more seriously. Not wasting time and money on players like Branham and then in-turn not trying out other guys instead. Always burning those second round picks cause they're letting guys have roster spots that shouldn't have had their options picked up.
    Spurs went into the tax on a number of occasions during the big 3 era, so I’m not sure where this cheapness thing is coming from. I mean, OKC actually offloaded Harden to avoid paying even $1 in tax. That’s a demonstration of cheap.

    I think winning the 2023 lottery, and realizing what it would take to put a team around Wemby might have been a reason to bring in private equity over the last few years.

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    European draft Combine starts on Monday. One of the final pieces to the puzzle but it seems like several prospects won’t be able to attend because their teams are making deep playoff pushes.

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    Drake Powell up to 12 is wild…

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    How much additional draft capital would folks be willing to give up to move to 1 from 2?

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    Yeah that KOC mock is definitely a bit…out there. That Coward/Bryant/McNeeley/Powell run from 9-12 seems insane.

    Would be pretty sick for Maluach to fall to us though

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    I think 14, cancelling the swap and 2 is the starting point...and I doubt that's enough for the Mavs.

    If they asked, it suggests they're open to 1 other player and that'd be my offer.
    If we asked, we'd probably have to add in the 2027 Hawks pick, which is a haul - Essentially, you'd have to overpay so that the Mavs could defend it to the fanbase.

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    I think 14, cancelling the swap and 2 is the starting point...and I doubt that's enough for the Mavs.

    If they asked, it suggests they're open to 1 other player and that'd be my offer.
    If we asked, we'd probably have to add in the 2027 Hawks pick, which is a haul - Essentially, you'd have to overpay so that the Mavs could defend it to the fanbase.
    If you told me that the Spurs could have a core of Castle/Flagg/Wemby + Fox and all it took was to rip up the Mavs swap, 14, and the Hawks 2027 first, I would do that trade yesterday. I think it takes way more than that my man

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    If you told me that the Spurs could have a core of Castle/Flagg/Wemby + Fox and all it took was to rip up the Mavs swap, 14, and the Hawks 2027 first, I would do that trade yesterday. I think it takes way more than that my man
    Probably right.

    Hard to adjust for how I value / consensus of Harper / Flagg value, and how past trades have gone - when a top pick has been traded, it's happened when there's been debate on who the top player is, with consensus #1s not even being considered. If it's on the table, it's probably like past trades for a #1 with a bit on top - I think Flagg is closer to that Davis tier, rather than something like Fultz etc.

    History if high end picks suggests it's a least a lottery pick for a high end swap.
    Luka / Trae was a future pick (became #10.)
    Tatum / Fultz was one pick (Romeo Langford at #14).

    But the #1 picks that are clear, clear #1 aren't traded, so there's no comparable value. I think Wemby would've needed #2, and a boat of picks (everything from Charlotte). Flagg is somewhere between those points.

    I'd still do the Atlanta pick as well, and it's probably smart to do more - Flagg is an outrageous project. But given the Luka history and the need to reignite hope, I'd doubt there's anything reasonable that can make it work.

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    Hopefully our scouts can find a gem in the later round.Havent been impressed lately in the later rounds
    with our drafting.

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