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    Dylan is half-Filipino and Carter is from my old town Riverside. Funny small world
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    Greetings good Sir....you have Filipino friends too?

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    Greetings good Sir....you have Filipino friends too?
    Yes sir. Finally a half-Filipino in my favorite team ever. Pinoy pride!

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    and you haven't watched 1 minute of those games. So stfu


    It's wild seeing how some of these guys think they have the hot take on players when it's obvious they've never seen them play before. No clue where they get this misguided confidence.

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    Wow, talk about the realization of a dream. Dude couldn't even afford a shirt for the draft. Wait until he gets that first check. He's gonna go crazy!

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    I actually think both sochan and Nelson will be moved because of this pick...notably sochan because he is an undersized pf that cant space the floor and made the team worse by hampering wembys growth (since the good teams don't even guard him...they just pack the paint)...there's a reason we had a better record this year without him than with him...so this pick gets a great defender that can actually space the floor...
    Who is Nelson?

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    Based on what we know so far about Carter Bryant, I think it's almost a certainty that he's not going to be some on-ball monster who dominates time of possession. He doesn't have much of a handle and was wholly inefficient in EYBL when asked to create for himself. But that's ok! High volume off-ball wings with size and are willing to defend are literally the lowest friction archetype, and a team can honestly never have enough so long as they have at least one high level initiator in place. In fact, I would argue that high level off-ball wings, in spite of lower raw counting stats, can have just as much impact as some "all star" players with much gaudier stats while being much cheaper to keep and easier to fit into a lineup:




    Green and Battier (and Klay) were probably the two most impactful pure off-ball wings of the last 25 years. OG falls a little short, and they clear other guys like Ariza, Bowen, Mikal Bridges, etc.

    So the question is - assuming he doesn't take outlier leaps in self creation, what is Carter Bryant's pathway to 3 and D success? Like what separates Battier and LDN from the rest of the guys?

    Just comparing him to Battier, I'll say right now that he doesn't have the same level of awareness/savvy/discipline that Battier had, even as a college player. I don't think he has the ability to just come up with a timely play at the exact right time. Battier was also a stud when it came to limiting FG% against.

    When comparing him to Green, I don't think he will be the same level of transition defender, as LDN was pretty much a generational defender on the break, which has a huge impact on winning as it turns situations where there is a high chance of getting points into stops.

    Bryant needs to learn to defend with more discipline - 4.3 fouls/36 makes his 2.8 STL% look more impressive than it actually is. However, he may not have the feet to consistently stay in front of guys and limit FG% the way that Battier could.

    Just based on his college sample, he may need to just lean into what he's good at - generating turnovers, utilizing his athleticism on efficient finishes, and bombing high volume of 3s. I do not think that his impact will ever really match that of Battier or LDN on the defensive side, but he may make up some of the difference on the offensive side. I don't remember an off-ball wing prospect that had this combination of athleticism and a high 3 point rate, and he's shown the ability to shoot against tight close outs. Bart query looking at baseline STL%, BLK%, 3PA/100, and limited AST% among draftees in the last 15 years yields guys like Devin Vassell, Keegan Murray, Taurean Prince, and Mikal Bridges, all of whom share some similarities with Bryant. Bryant's advantage over the aforementioned players are primarily his age, frame, athleticism, and commitment to defense. However, it is reassuring to see that similar players have gone on to have anywhere from passable to excellent 3 point shooting later in their career. In fact, Green/Keegan/Prince may represent the spectrum of what his impact looks like depending on his future development:



    LDN was about 3.5-4 3PM/100 over the middle of his career while Battier was more like 2.5 / 100 in a much less 3 point heavy era. If Bryant can get to about 4-4.5 3PM/100 during his peak, and he develops well under Sweeney's guidance, hopefully he can become another Spurs off-ball wing success story over the next 10-15 years.
    Awesome post.

    The version in my head of ideal Carter Bryant is some kind of Shawn Marion / LDN hybrid - not quite the guard defense of Danny, not quite the rebounding of Marion, but high level value as shooting options who offer defensive event creation. Basically a perfect complementary player once you have the ball handlers / stars. Always hard to work out who becomes that guy - Caruso is some version of that, no one knew at the time. Carter Bryant is a good bet to become something like that.

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    How do you not see a projected 3 and D player fitting with the starters?
    Can't play 4 and there's no room at 3 or 2 or 1 or 5 for that matter.

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    didn't know he was gay

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    Can't play 4 and there's no room at 3 or 2 or 1 or 5 for that matter.
    6'6.75", which is 6'8 in shoes.
    8'10 standing reach and 6'11.75" wingspan.

    That's 0.75" shorter than Aaron Gordon with 2" better standing reach and identical wingspan.

    He'll definitely be able to play PF by the end of his rookie contract when he adds some more muscle. He's already at 215. I expect him to be at around 230 in his prime.

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    I really like the Sochan-Bryant 3-4 pairing in the future as long as Sochan becomes a passable shooter and Bryant develops well. In many ways their differences complement each other. Bryant has trouble staying in front of guys, but Sochan’s especially agile for his size anbd can do that. Sochan has trouble generating turnovers, but Bryant’s athleticism covers him. Sochan will never be mire than a league average shooter, but Bryant shot 46% on catch and shoots last season and has potential as a high volume guy. Sochan’s sort of a troll with a slightly dirty heuristic while Bryant’s entire persona is more of a choir boy. Neither one is truly big enough to be a good 4, but both are bigger/more athletic/physical than your typical 3. I think if you play them together you may not lose as much as you think in the rebounding/physicality department while still reaping the benefits of having a highly switchable defense

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    interesting tidbit:


    Pelicans EVP Joe Dumars: "After we drafted 7th, we started from #9 and went all the way until we got a deal (at #13). And you don't pull the trigger on the asset next year (unprotected 2026 Pels/Bucks 1st), until you get that deal, otherwise we keep it."

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    I think the upside projection of Carter Bryant is he becomes OG Anunoby. guy who can comfortably defend 2-4, knockdown 3's, and good athlete who can get some transition buckets as well. half court shot creation not at a premium.

    Toumani Camara is kind of on his way to that with an improving 3 point shot

    Its encouraging that he mentioned Camara as one of the guys he models his game after

    offensively he will need to eventually quicken his release and become more comfortable shooting on the move instead of solely stationary catch and shoot.

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    interesting tidbit:


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    i mean considering how egregiously the pelicans overpaid, i think it would have been wise to take it, even if there was a tier-break coming with prospects

    coulda moved back, taken McNeeley or Clifford (or Fleming), and then owned an unprotected Superfirst (good name i saw for a pick with swap rights attached to it)

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    i mean considering how egregiously the pelicans overpaid, i think it would have been wise to take it, even if there was a tier-break coming with prospects

    coulda moved back, taken McNeeley or Clifford (or Fleming), and then owned an unprotected Superfirst (good name i saw for a pick with swap rights attached to it)
    As per usual, Bulls were idiots not to take that deal.
    I'd say the same applies to the Blazers, it was a better offer than what Grizzlies gave them and their Chinese guy wouldn't have been picked before #23.
    I understand the Suns not taking it because they wanted Maluach.

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    As per usual, Bulls were idiots not to take that deal.
    I'd say the same applies to the Blazers, it was a better offer than what Grizzlies gave them and their Chinese guy wouldn't have been picked before #23.
    I understand the Suns not taking it because they wanted Maluach.
    people are saying the Blazers actually didn't take the deal because they were afraid somebody would take Temu Jokic before #23

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    6'6.75", which is 6'8 in shoes.
    8'10 standing reach and 6'11.75" wingspan.

    That's 0.75" shorter than Aaron Gordon with 2" better standing reach and identical wingspan.

    He'll definitely be able to play PF by the end of his rookie contract when he adds some more muscle. He's already at 215. I expect him to be at around 230 in his prime.
    good addendum

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    Yeah, darn, I knew it. Sucks that the Hawks took that deal. Nothing against Carter (happy to have him), but I don't think the Spurs would have passed up that deal.

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    Carter to wear #11

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    he can play the 4 now. he guarded 7 footers in school fine,

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    For the sneaker heads, these look like GT Cut 3 Turbos on each of the lads.

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    bryant reminds me of xerxes from 300

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    The Cooper Flagg Stopper?

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    The Cooper Flagg Stopper?
    Dude got annihilated by Flagg last time they played, so probably not

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