For real this time, Keldon Johnson needs to go ASAP

[Manu&Duncan fan]

This summer will be a busy and happy one for spurs fans.

Since we clearly have a big-3 foundation for championship, the FOs strategy will be different from past years. Will be more aggressive than usual.

We will get one of Reid, PJ or John Collins plus a proven wing shooter. In order for this to happen, , one or two of Devin, Keldon, Sochan will have to be moved.

Our draft strategy will be different from before. Will be more likely t pick safe, 3-D, NBA ready guys than long-term potential, unless a candidate's potential is too overwhelming to ignore.

[Jordan Jackson]

The guy is a no 3 or D wing. He has a roster spot because he’s the equivalent of the team’s mascot. If you’re serious about winning - he’s nowhere near your top rotation.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

The guy is a no 3 or D wing. He has a roster spot because he’s the equivalent of the team’s mascot. If you’re serious about winning - he’s nowhere near your top rotation.

Who are you referring to?

[exstatic]

So with this, yes, I like that he can get to the rim, but IMO, he predetermines those drives to the basket and doesn't see anything else along the way. Sometimes, he needs to adjust and maybe a pass is a better option.
Steph bullies his way to the rim too, but he can also pass the ball out if need be. I've hardly ever seen Keldon do that ever.

Castle was drafted #4 overall. Keldon was drafted #30. They are not the same type of player. They don’t even play the same position.

[Raven]

This summer will be a busy and happy one for spurs fans.

Since we clearly have a big-3 foundation for championship, the FOs strategy will be different from past years. Will be more aggressive than usual.

We will get one of Reid, PJ or John Collins plus a proven wing shooter. In order for this to happen, , one or two of Devin, Keldon, Sochan will have to be moved.

Our draft strategy will be different from before. Will be more likely t pick safe, 3-D, NBA ready guys than long-term potential, unless a candidate's potential is too overwhelming to ignore.

who are the big 3 exactly? i hope you don't seriously intend to pair fox with castle

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Fox and castle can coexist if we add shooters around them. Say, Kon and Naz Reid.

[Leetonidas]

I think he’s useful because he’s one of only two players on this team that can bully their way to the rim and score.

When exactly does Sochan bully his way to the rim and score? Most of his scores at the rim come off cuts or pick and rolls where he ends up wide open. Usually when he "bullies" someone to the basket he stops in front of the restricted area and then tosses it back out dude has zero ability to score when someone is on him at the basket. He settles for little hooks or fadeways that rarely connect

Edit: I can't ing read thought I clicked the Sochan thread

[exstatic]

When exactly does Sochan bully his way to the rim and score? Most of his scores at the rim come off cuts or pick and rolls where he ends up wide open. Usually when he "bullies" someone to the basket he stops in front of the restricted area and then tosses it back out dude has zero ability to score when someone is on him at the basket. He settles for little hooks or fadeways that rarely connect

Do you understand which thread you’re in? We’re not discussing Jeremy.

[Ice009]

Castle was drafted #4 overall. Keldon was drafted #30. They are not the same type of player. They don’t even play the same position.

I understand what you're saying, but pick number is irrelevant to me. Manu was the 57th or whatever pick, and he was a master at adjusting on the fly and passing out if he had to. I don't expect Keldon to be at either Manu or Steph's level passing wise, but darn, a pass every now at then instead of having blinders on when driving to the rim would be a good thing.

[exstatic]

I understand what you're saying, but pick number if irrelevant to me. Manu was the 57th or whatever pick, and he was a master at adjusting on the fly and passing out if he had to. I don't expect Keldon to be at either Manu or Steph's level passing wise, but darn, a pass every now at then instead of having blinders on when driving to the rim would be a good thing.

Manu was drafted before extensive Euro scouting. I mean, he was the euro league MVP, and MVP of the Euroleague final four. You’re still not talking the same caliber of player as Keldon.

[Leetonidas]

Do you understand which thread you’re in? We’re not discussing Jeremy.

youre right I thought I clicked on the Sochan thread. Now your comment makes a lot more sense tbh. My bad lol

[spurraider21]

Manu was drafted before extensive Euro scouting. I mean, he was the euro league MVP, and MVP of the Euroleague final four. You’re still not talking the same caliber of player as Keldon.

there was no overalle euroleague mvp until 2004

manu did win euroleague finals mvp in 2001, which was 2 years after he was drafted

[scott]

This summer will be a busy and happy one for spurs fans.

Since we clearly have a big-3 foundation for championship, the FOs strategy will be different from past years. Will be more aggressive than usual.

We will get one of Reid, PJ or John Collins plus a proven wing shooter. In order for this to happen, , one or two of Devin, Keldon, Sochan will have to be moved.

Our draft strategy will be different from before. Will be more likely t pick safe, 3-D, NBA ready guys than long-term potential, unless a candidate's potential is too overwhelming to ignore.

Local derp media, by way of Jeff McDonald this time, has a story in the E-N about Keldon and trade rumors: https://www.expressnews.com/sports/s...e-20279036.php

This was the interesting tidbit to me:

With the Spurs perhaps less active on the trade market this summer than they were two months ago, it is possible – if not probable – Johnson survives to see a seventh season with the Spurs.

I wonder if the Spurs have already spoon fed to their media puppets that they don't intend on any big moves this offseason.

I've been saying for awhile, I kind of expect the Spurs to run it back next season with some minor changes (CP3 not returning as a starter being the biggest) and our draft picks. I don't think this is what many of us want, but I think we should prepare for it to happen.

[Ice009]

Oh, geez. Spurs are just too slow to realize things. They dragged the DeRozan thing on too long. I hope they don't do the same with this.

Probably won't be hiring any of these coaches either. I also hope they don't come to this realization too late if Pop does decide to step down and all the coaches are hired by other teams.

Edit : Holy crap. I hadn't been to the front page and refreshed it before I posted the thing about Pop. Did not see that TMZ thread. At this point, I hope he's alright and I don't care about the coaching. I thought he'd be fine if he doesn't coach, but that might not be the case . I really hope he's going to be OK.

[spurraider21]

i think its fair to speculate that. in previous years the spurs were somewhat active making moves because they were selling cap space. trading the draft pick last year, trading for barnes, dealing away Graham. the previous offseason with the osman/payne/bullock trades.

and to the extent the spurs were primed to make one big trade for a star, while they haven't emptied the cubpoard, the Fox trade has already fulfilled that

if the right trade falls into their lap im sure they'll look but im not expecting massive activity either. keldon's contract is solid for trade purposes, but next offseason he'd be a 17.5m expiring deal, even better.

[DAF86]

17 million is pretty fair for the scoring production you get from Keldon. People just look for someone to blame. The idea that you HAVE to move him right now is just dumb.

Scoring production? What about the rest of his game? He's not a winning player, never will be. He doesn't have the skillset that championship winning role players posses (defense, shooting, IQ, clutchness). The sooner we get rid of him, the better for the franchise.

[Sugus]

You stopped expecting Devin's shots to go in but still want to keep Keldon when Keldon is even less efficient than Devin? At least if Vassell stopped thinking he's Kobe, he could be semiserviceable as a guy that can shoot and defend (if he puts his effort into it) at least at average levels. Keldon has no redeeming quality whatsoever.

Missed this reply.

Yes, of course, why would you draw the comparison? They fulfill entirely different roles on the team.

I wouldn't keep Keldon because of his efficiency - I've already explained why I like him on the team, and it's not exactly his 3pt% . And one of the reasons I'd rather have him over Vassell is exactly why you're wrong here -- I have much more faith in Keldon adapting to, and embracing his bench role-playing, glue-guy role, than I do in Vassell waking up tomorrow and completely changing his game and inspirations in order to become the player you wish he would be instead of what he actually is.

Keldon is cheaper, already has taken a backseat for the team, has a non-crucial role that the Spurs have no trouble building around, and most of all, is not a Kobe chucker (and can be easily benched if he starts to become one). Your starting SG isn't as easily benched, and has a much larger impact on the team, while also having the bigger opportunity cost in terms of occupying a place that could be filled by superior players.

I'm a fan of the saying "Believe people when they tell you who they are". Devin has clearly chosen his game and it's nothing like you fantasize here. But sure, let's keep him bogging down the team for years on end, in the hopes that he'll snap out of it and become this selfless, defense-first, sniper....

[DAF86]

Missed this reply.

Yes, of course, why would you draw the comparison? They fulfill entirely different roles on the team.

I wouldn't keep Keldon because of his efficiency - I've already explained why I like him on the team, and it's not exactly his 3pt% . And one of the reasons I'd rather have him over Vassell is exactly why you're wrong here -- I have much more faith in Keldon adapting to, and embracing his bench role-playing, glue-guy role, than I do in Vassell waking up tomorrow and completely changing his game and inspirations in order to become the player you wish he would be instead of what he actually is.

Keldon is cheaper, already has taken a backseat for the team, has a non-crucial role that the Spurs have no trouble building around, and most of all, is not a Kobe chucker (and can be easily benched if he starts to become one). Your starting SG isn't as easily benched, and has a much larger impact on the team, while also having the bigger opportunity cost in terms of occupying a place that could be filled by superior players.

I'm a fan of the saying "Believe people when they tell you who they are". Devin has clearly chosen his game and it's nothing like you fantasize here. But sure, let's keep him bogging down the team for years on end, in the hopes that he'll snap out of it and become this selfless, defense-first, sniper....

If it were up to me, trade both, but if we have to keep one, I'd much rather keep Vassell in hopes of him accepting a lesser role than keeping Keldon to be the same exact player he is now. Why would you want to keep Keldon on his current role when he so clearly sucks at it? at least with Vassell you get the hope of him becoming a better player with a changed role.

[spursistan]

This dude is already acting like he is the Spurs' Udonis Haslem. Zero chance he gets moved.

[Ice009]

Mitch would move up a notch or two for me if he trades Keldon a little while after that phone call for a player that fits better on the team.

Again, I really like Keldon the person, but he's not the best fit on this team. I've been hoping he could become better, have more awareness on drives to dish instead of only seeing the basket with bliders on, and also being a decent defender, but if it hasn't happened by now, not sure he still has room for growth. If the Spurs keep him, I really do hope he can still somehow improve and become a key player for a Spurs team looking to make deep playoff runs.

[Sugus]

If it were up to me, trade both, but if we have to keep one, I'd much rather keep Vassell in hopes of him accepting a lesser role than keeping Keldon to be the same exact player he is now. Why would you want to keep Keldon on his current role when he so clearly sucks at it? at least with Vassell you get the hope of him becoming a better player with a changed role.

I see, interesting. I'm honestly just way down on Vassell and don't have hopes that he can become a player anywhere worth his salary, nor accept a bench role he could be better-suited for, which Keldon has already embraced. Major difference there in my eyes.

I would give Keldon at the least another season under his bench role before completely discarding him; and it's because I think his playstyle is very well suited for a bench player. If (IF) he can find his 3pt shot back, then a bench-spark player that is a tough driver and also space the floor definitely has value for the Spurs. This season had a lot of moving pieces and I'd like to see him under the new Castle-Fox-Wemby hierarchy or lineups.

And again, the sticking point for me is that Vassell occupies a much more important, central role for team building. I don't think Vassell is our SG (much less SF) of the future, and since I want the Spurs to find that ASAP, he's the player who fits the post le to me.

[The Truth #6]

I'll defer to the statisticians here, but the team's high offensive rating at the end of the season, I have to wonder, it may in small part be from Kelson playing small ball 4 again during that time his natural position, honestly, despite all his impressive weight loss.

His bullying drives to the rim are a good thing. If his 3 is dropping, I think he is the lesser of two eveils, so to speak, compared to Devin.

[The Truth #6]

I'll defer to the statisticians here, but the team's high offensive rating at the end of the season, I have to wonder, it may in small part be from Kelson playing small ball 4 again during that time his natural position, honestly, despite all his impressive weight loss.

His bullying drives to the rim are a good thing. If his 3 is dropping, I think he is the lesser of two eveils, so to speak, compared to Devin.

[DAF86]

In the wake of the Kornet signing, I'm simply going to say that our bench unit projects to be this one:

Harper, Champagnie, Keldon, Sochan and Kornet.

For those of you counting at home that is one average shooter, two below average ones and two complete non-shooters. I'm anticipating it right now, so that there's no one that can act surpised later: THAT UNIT IS GONNA SUCK MAJOR ASS.

It is imperative that we move Keldon for some actual shooting, and it needs to be now. There's no point in starting the season with this extremely flawed rotation, get our hopes crushing down, the confidence of our players down and the trade values even lower. Just a heads up, tbh.

[Spurs Brazil]

Johnson must go. Spurs desperately need a shooter in the 2nd unit