2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[Spurs Homer]

Pretty much, he singlehandedly saved OKC's season in Game 4 when it looked like Indy was primed to be up 3-1.

Hope those refs got part of that cash tbh...

[LeBowen]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=304500

Is this the thread you're talking about? where are all these posters "rushing" in to whine about Collins? Looks like one person (Dejounte) and you got all emo about it

Collins had an objectively good season, tbh.

[Ice009]

SGA agrees to 4-yr/$285M Super Max with OKc. Largest contract in NBA history. Wild.

Congrats to Shai. What a season for him on a personal level and also congrats to bringing OKC a le. Much, much more likeable Thunder team than the ones with Durant, Westbrook, Harden.

[vy65]

The anti-Vassell crew doesn’t seem to understand that his contract will actually look better and better down the line because it doesn’t go up while the cap does. Devin is still one of the 5 best players on the team. Give him the 3-and-D offball role, so he can get his value up. Then include him in a big trade if you make one later.

this whole „let’s salary dump Vassell right now for an ATL pick“ agenda is straight lunacy.

Those reductions aren't as big as you'd think.

25-26: $27MM. 17% of a 154.647 cap
26-27: $27MM. 16% of a 165 cap
27-28: $24.6MM. 14% of a 173.25 cap
28-29: $27MM. 15% of a 182 cap

[objective]

Boucher is entering his year 33 season. No thanks

[Mugen]

hand wringing about shooting has gone from, yeah it prob should be, to ok lets calm down.

How? Barnes, Vassell, and Champ. Those are the only average 3pt shooters we have on the roster tbh. We still badly need it.

[Dex]

You only move Vassell if he is a part of a bigger, better deal.

You don't move him just for the sake of moving him, and you definitely don't give up assets to do so.

Let him stay on the roster and play him accordingly, and he's fine. And I say that as someone who has a record of not being a huge Devin fan.

[R. DeMurre]

We don't need a bench spark, we need a 30mpg PF who won't get bullied and is a solid 3pt shooter.
Advanced stats for role players often don't scale when they have to play more minutes.
Kornet's are for example fine, because he was a 15mpg player for the Celtics and won't have bigger role for us.

I don't expect them to scale-- I want to use Boucher and Kornet in their bench roles, and for now create greater depth. For me, Collins just isn't the answer. Every time his raw stats have jumped off the page, it's been for bad teams, really bad teams. At $26mil next year and an expectation of more in the future, I just don't see it. He was the tank commander of a 17 win team. For me he's a prime example of John Wooden's "don't mistake activity for achievement."

[vagisil]

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Free agent center Jericho Sims has agreed to a two-year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, including a player option in the second season, sources tell ESPN. Milwaukee retains a lob threat big man in Sims, who played in a career high 53 games last season and all 5 playoff games

Still no center for the Lakers huh lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

At the deadline:

The Sacramento Kings announced today that the team has acquired center Jonas Valančiūnas in exchange for forward Sidy Cissoko, a 2028 second-round pick and a 2029 second-round pick.

Jake Fischer: There’s no additional terms in the trade between Sacramento and Denver, sources say. Straight up swap of Jonas Valanciunas for Dario Saric.

WTF are the Kangz doing?

[Mugen]

Lakers are gonna get Ayton tbh. I don't see him going to Indy even if they have more $ to offer.

[The Truth #6]

What's the saying, "Every accusation is an admission?"

[RC_Drunkford]

Those reductions aren't as big as you'd think.

25-26: $27MM. 17% of a 154.647 cap
26-27: $27MM. 16% of a 165 cap
27-28: $24.6MM. 14% of a 173.25 cap
28-29: $27MM. 15% of a 182 cap

it was 19.2% last season and goes down to 14%. That's quite the decline.

[Dverde]

DeRozan probably in that Jack in a Box parking lot a lot these days looking after seeing these Kangz FA moves.

[T Park]

Lakers are gonna get Ayton tbh. I don't see him going to Indy even if they have more $ to offer.

playing time and a playoff team >

[scott]

You only move Vassell if he is a part of a bigger, better deal.

You don't move him just for the sake of moving him, and you definitely don't give up assets to do so.

Let him stay on the roster and play him accordingly, and he's fine. And I say that as someone who has a record of not being a huge Devin fan.

I’m the guy who had an Anti-Devin avatar for most of last season, and I approve this message.

Paying to dump Devin would be foolish. If there is a neutral value or better deal out there that nets you a better fit, then we should absolutely take a hard look at that… but I agree that we shouldn’t be thinking about giving up assets to dump Vassell.

The Spurs have just being going too long and/or about 20% too high on their extensions. Devin has 4 years left at around $27MM/per. If it were 3 years, $22MM AAV then he’d look a lot different both to us and to other teams. Keldon’s salary is fine, but it’s one year too long. He’d be easy to move if he were expiring, but that will have to wait another year.

Hopefully the Spurs have learned from those deals and don’t make the exact same mistake with Sochan. That deal needs to be a 3+1 (TO) at about $16MM AAV or less.

[scott]

As realistic, lower end moves still out there… I like Boucher and Nance as bench pieces. I doubt the Spurs have eyes on either though. I think Wright will try to wiggle his way into a trade where we get back unexpected positive value. That seems to be one of his favorite moves and it has worked for us in the past. Leaving open some roster spots for now just in case those opportunities present themselves… it’s not like Mamu and Bassey are going anywhere if they need to eventually fill those last two spots.

[Mugen]

Keldon is definitely great to have around for team morale after losses. But Keldon is also a big reason why they lose so much so maybe they won't need these morale boosters with him gone tbh

[R. DeMurre]

The Buddhists say Change is the only true constant, but there's also the terrible decision making of the Sacramento Kings, which might be more profound than Time or Change.

[poopbox]

He'd be cheap and can shoot better than Sochan. We're probably talking Mamu role here, though might as well just keep Mamu for that tbh.

Exactly.

And literally everyone shoots better than Sochan.

[scott]

It’s amazing how the Kangz and Pels did complete front office overhauls and somehow managed to become even more incompetent.

[mo7888]

It’s amazing how the Kangz and Pels did complete front office overhauls and somehow managed to become even more incompetent.

It's an amazing talent...

[Dverde]

Vassell just needs to work on his shot selection, stay healthy, and try to do less. I think he is going to thrive with this team. He may not score as much but I think his shooting percentages will be much higher. He could be our future sixth man when Keldon leaves.

[poopbox]

how else were they supposed to get Turner? Giannis trying to save face tbh

Let's be real you honestly think Giannis knows anything about how the cap works

Probably never occurred to him Lillard would get waived after he got Turner to come to the Bucks

[scottspurs]

The 2031 pick swap the Spurs own with the Sacramento Kings is the greatest asset the Spurs have left. Imagine having Wemby, Castle and Harper all in their primes and having a top 5 pick. The Kings are headed towards the bottom. Keep them on the mediocracy treadmill for a couple more years and reap the benefits