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    Winehole, so youre okay with protesters shooting and ramming thier cars at ICE but not okay with ICE using extreme force as an answer?
    you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that

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    you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that

    so do you agree with ICE's response or not?

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    so do you agree with ICE's response or not?
    It's not clear what happened in the first place. Whatever ICE said is not necessarily to be trusted -- they've already been caught in in numerous lies in court.

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    you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that
    You imply it constantly as your bias is totally on display daily. Don't try to kid yourself now.

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    It's not clear what happened in the first place. Whatever ICE said is not necessarily to be trusted -- they've already been caught in in numerous lies in court.
    So believe Russia, Russia, Russia MSM then? LMAO Your lack of a spine is so transparent.

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    You believe Tim Pool, who was paid by Russia.

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    Portland war zone is terrifying!


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    So believe Russia, Russia, Russia MSM then? LMAO Your lack of a spine is so transparent.
    if you go back to the relevant threads you'll find I poured cold water on collusion as probably not legally sustainable (which turned out to be the case), but I thought the footsie was politically damning.

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    This evening, President Trump is ordering 400 members of the Texas National Guard for deployments to Illinois, Oregon, and other locations within the United States. No officials from the federal government called me directly to discuss or coordinate.

    We must now start calling this what it is: Trump’s Invasion. It started with federal agents, it will soon include deploying federalized members of the Illinois National Guard against our wishes, and it will now involve sending in another state’s military troops.

    ​I call on Governor Abbott to immediately withdraw any support for this decision and refuse to coordinate. There is no reason a President should send military troops into a sovereign state without their knowledge, consent, or cooperation.

    The brave men and women who serve in our national guards must not be used as political props. This is a moment where every American must speak up and help stop this madness.



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    “Trump, and the thuggery that his agents have brought, has actively made us less safe.” —Gov. JB Pritzker

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    “Since the beginning of this invasion, families have been snatched up off the streets, or removed from their homes. Zip-tied and detained for hours, including, especially, U.S. citizens and legal residents of our state.” —Gov. JB Pritzker

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    Illinois is in court right now over the Texas NG deployment

    Illinois attorney Christopher Wells tells Perry Texas troops may already be on the way, including some getting on a plane at 4 p.m. "When they set foot here, the sovereign injury grows only more grave.

    He wants to move forward immediately.
    Wells says "we need a TRO immediately." He references the feds' conduct in Oregon and accuses the Trump administration of a "concerted effort to target disfavored jurisdictions that the president doesn't like."

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    looks like the Texas troops will deploy

    Perry: "If I were the government, I might strongly consider taking a pause on this until Thursday, so that we are not in a position where we are doing a full-fledged hearing with whatever has happened."

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    Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson:

    "Private establishments can partner with us to make it clear that private property is private property and ICE cannot enter establishments without a valid warrant ... If Congress will not check this administration, then Chicago will."


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    Texas once feared a phantom federal occupation. Now Gov. Abbott’s troops are helping carry it out under Trump. And Houston may be next, writes the Houston Chronicle editorial board.
    bit.ly/48Q3D5C

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    ICE hand to hand with Antifa in Portland



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    a US victim of the South Shore raid was detained for hours

    here's what he had to say about his Venezuelan neighbors


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    gunning for Marbury vs. Madison

    per Steven Vladeck, the First Militia Act of 1792 -- a statute written and signed by some of the guys at the Cons utional Convention -- provided for judicial review before deployment

    Stephen Miller: "It's simply a factually accurate statement that when a judge assumes for him- or herself the powers that have been relegated or delegated by the Cons ution to the president, that that is a form of illegal insurrection." ...
    Last edited by Winehole23; 10-06-2025 at 11:55 PM. Reason: Constitutinal is not a word

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    explain how i twisted it....msnbc tell you to ignore the truth?
    you're strawmanning, I didn't I say any of that
    hemisboomerscooter

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    TRO for Chicago journalists

    Judge Ellis says that "it appears that the plaintiffs have shown a likelihood of success" on their claim that DHS has violated plaintiffs' Fourth Amendment and First Amendment rights.
    https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...571.27.0_1.pdf

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    hemisboomerscooter
    the Strawman + tu quoque ratio of right wing takes in this subforum approaches one, the rest are mainly eyerolls and emojis

    none of them want to talk about the politics

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    hey BadMotorScooter, what if DHS lied about Martinez and cameras prove it?

    what should happen then?

    In the charges filed Sunday, prosecutors notably did not mention a loaded gun in Martinez’s car that was referenced in a previous statement by the Department of Homeland Security. But in court Monday, Hennessy said Martinez had a loaded firearm on the passenger side of her car but never brandished it. Martinez’s attorney, Parente, said she has a valid firearm and concealed-carry license.

    Parente also offered to play an agent’s body-camera video that shows the shooting, noting that prosecutors did not show the video that he claimed disputes the government’s version of the shooting.

    Parente said the video shows an agent turn federal vehicle left into Martinez’s vehicle, after which an agent says, “Do something b----.” The agent then exits the vehicle and shoots at Martinez.

    Parente said Martinez has “seven holes” in her from the shooting and that agents were in such a hurry to take her into custody at the hospital that they had to return later when Martinez began bleeding from her wounds.

    Parente disputed the government’s claim that Martinez is a danger to the community and should be detained, saying instead that the officer who shot her was a threat.

    “I think there’s a danger to the community, but I don’t think it’s Ms. Martinez,” he said.

    Martinez is a U.S. citizen, works for a school and had several supportive letters about her character filed with the court, Parente said. Ruiz is also a U.S. citizen and is self-employed as a deejay, his attorney, Ben Horowitz, said.
    trib.al/9Sxu9IN

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    sounds like there were multiple alleged crime scenes

    Shortly after Monday’s court hearing, the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives announced a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the other drivers who followed and boxed in agents Saturday.


    An FBI statement says that about 10 vehicles were involved in the chase that Martinez and Ruiz were allegedly part of in the 3900 block of South Kedzie. The statement also describes the “ramming” of a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement vehicle repeatedly in the 3700 block of Kedzie, allegedly by the driver of a black Chevy Tahoe with Illinois license plate EM 62829. That driver is still at large, the FBI said.

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    the Strawman + tu quoque ratio of right wing takes in this subforum approaches one, the rest are mainly eyerolls and emojis

    none of them want to talk about the politics
    None.

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