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  1. #2001
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    Did I say they would provide a surplus? I'm saying they are desperately needed to prevent the deficit from getting much bigger than would otherwise be the case.
    So your tariffs won't actually reduce the debt.

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    So your tariffs won't actually reduce the debt.
    The debt is high but the trajectory of it without tariffs is what concerns me most.

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    The debt is high but the trajectory of it without tariffs is what concerns me most.
    Of course there is no other way to raise revenue.

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    Of course there is no other way to raise revenue.
    Or reduce ridiculous spending.

    Hey how is DOGE doing these days?

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    They don't understand the data or anything you're talking about. MSNBC told them tariffs are bad so that's what they believe. Blake didn't even understand that tariffs are a tax, meaning it generates desperately needed revenue for the government.
    You are correct they really don't understand the data.

    stripping out volatile food and energy prices
    Lol he never reads or comprehends the word walls he posts.
    Volatile food and energy prices are ALWAYS stripped out for Core PCE.
    ChumpDumper thought he had a gotcha and Blake jumped on his coattails and they both made absolute fools of themselves

    Blake doesn't understand anything when it comes to the economy all the while claiming to be a lol "real world finance guy". Blake and his experts have been warning of massive inflation coming since May of 2025 and he still refuses to admit he and his experts were dead wrong and the tariffs didn't cause massive inflation.



    Blake keeps crying about how much better the economy was under Biden while under Trump inflation is steady and lower, wages are higher, GDP is higher, and the markets keep hitting all time highs.

    Blake is re ed.


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    TSA thinks energy is just gasoline

    No wonder that rube believes all those conspiracy theories.

    Is your electric bill lower or higher on average the past year?

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    did they try shopping at a real grocery store?

    "We had run almost 1,000 simulations, and between $3 and $4 is a fair number if you can have access to that food. I just saw new numbers that were run: a full day, meaning 3 full square meals and a snack, is about $15.64."

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    After they started juicing the numbers, they can say growth will be 1000%.

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    Does that mean healthcare costs are coming down too? What about groceries?

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    Danish pension fund to sell $100 million in Treasurys, citing ‘poor’ U.S. government finances

    Danish pension operator AkademikerPension said it is exiting U.S. Treasurys because of finance concerns as Denmark spars with President Donald Trump over his threats to take over Greenland.

    Anders Schelde, AkademikerPension’s investing chief, said the decision was driven by what it sees as “poor [U.S.] government finances” amid America’s debt crisis. But it also comes as tensions escalate between the U.S. and Denmark after Trump’s latest threats to tariff European countries if Greenland, an arctic territory of Denmark, isn’t sold to the U.S.

    “It is not directly related to the ongoing rift between the [U.S.] and Europe, but of course that didn’t make it more difficult to take the decision,” Schelde said in a statement to CNBC.

    The fund currently has a position of around $100 million in U.S. Treasurys, an AkademikerPension spokesperson confirmed to CNBC. The academics-focused fund plans to have exited that holding by the end of the month.

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/20/akad...and-trump.html

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    if Europe delinks from the dollar and disinvests in the USA, the US free ride will start coming to end

    fortunately for us, it can't do that quickly because so much of its wealth is denominated in the US dollar

    pushing the rest of the world to start disinvesting from the US is a huge own goal, a colossal strategic error

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    Wikoff telling WEF that the world order made in the image of the USA after WWII and designed to benefit US currency and ins utions -- that made the USA the richest and mightiest country human history has ever seen -- is a ripoff and a failure...

    is pure brainrot and delusion
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    even for Karl Marx, the productive base of capitalism was a precondition of socialist revolution. Marx admired and praised capitalism for creating the preconditions of liberation from toil and oppression, as a real advance in freedom and human civilization -- which it is.

    Witkoff and Trump are calling it a ripoff and trying to tear it down

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    Yeah, desperately. We've got $38.6 trillion in debt and much bigger deficits without them.
    The ends don’t always justify the means. Tariffs are a pretty blunt instrument to increase revenue. A more targeted approach initiated by congress as dictated by the cons ution would be the legal way to raise revenue.

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    The ends don’t always justify the means. Tariffs are a pretty blunt instrument to increase revenue. A more targeted approach initiated by congress as dictated by the cons ution would be the legal way to raise revenue.
    Of course there is no other way to raise revenue.
    The Congress is paralyzed. In the Congress, mega donors (very rich people) defeat attempts at higher income taxes, higher estate taxes and wealth taxes and the business lobbies defeat higher tariffs. Trump bypassed the lobbyist with executive action, which the Supreme Court could still partially strike down.

    Tariffs at least promote domestic investments whereas higher income taxes often do the opposite.

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    The Congress is paralyzed. In the Congress, mega donors (very rich people) defeat attempts at higher income taxes, higher estate taxes and wealth taxes and the business lobbies defeat higher tariffs. Trump bypassed the lobbyist with executive action, which the Supreme Court could still partially strike down.

    Tariffs at least promote domestic investments whereas higher income taxes often do the opposite.
    Domestic investment in what?

    Manufacturing jobs were down another 70,000 last year.

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    Domestic investment in what?

    Manufacturing jobs were down another 70,000 last year.
    In semiconductors, pharmaceuticals, autos, etc. It takes time to make investments but many have already been pledged so now they have to be implemented.

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    In semiconductors, pharmaceuticals, autos, etc. It takes time to make investments but many have already been pledged so now they have to be implemented.
    Foxconn announces $10 billion investment in Wisconsin and up to 13,000 jobs

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    Take a look at what TSMC has done in Arizona already and it's about to get much bigger.

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    Take a look at what TSMC has done in Arizona already and it's about to get much bigger.
    How big is the Foxconn plant in Wisconsin now?

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    The ends don’t always justify the means. Tariffs are a pretty blunt instrument to increase revenue. A more targeted approach initiated by congress as dictated by the cons ution would be the legal way to raise revenue.
    Taxation is an enumerated power of Congress and directly increases revenue. We could also get better at collecting the money, instead of chainsawing the IRS in the face of massive tax cuts like we're doing now.

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    Cutting government services then blowing all the money saved on tax cuts like Republicans did last year is fiscally dumb

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    The Congress is paralyzed. In the Congress, mega donors (very rich people) defeat attempts at higher income taxes, higher estate taxes and wealth taxes and the business lobbies defeat higher tariffs. Trump bypassed the lobbyist with executive action, which the Supreme Court could still partially strike down.

    Tariffs at least promote domestic investments whereas higher income taxes often do the opposite.
    What do you mean congress is paralyzed? DJT whipped congress into passing his big beautiful bill not 6 months ago…which increases the budget deficit btw. Why didn’t he just include his tariffs in that legislation?

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    Gotta love the continued mental gymnastics Trump s go through to convince themselves that Trump does things with the best interest of the country in mind.

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