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    Saudis announced that they joining US vs Iran

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    Israel bombs elementary girls school, at least 85 girls killed in blast. Worlds most moral army...

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/l...-southern-iran




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    As a way of saying you're welcome, we'll take their oil

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    you literally are posting what you're told to say.

    So you always were for more foreign wars, right?

    Please be a man and answer for yourself.

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    Full backing and support?

    Does that mean American boots on the ground?

    Yes or no, snacks.

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    Also, are you once again a neocon, snacks?

    Yes of no.

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    ST Trump s proving they are NPCs incapable of independent thought.

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    they're still here and seething because they realize they are nothing.

    If any Trump here is brave enough to say what he thinks is the endgame here, step up now or stay in your bubble waiting for your latest programming update.

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    He thought he could FA with The Daddy King

    He found out

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    Questions pending, snackbot.

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    Full meltdown for Chump

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    you can't answer a simple question, snackbot.

    Just say you're fine with wars of choice and always were as long as your daddy tells you what to think.

    It's as easy as anything you do these days-- it requires no thought at all.

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    What does that mean, snackbot?

    Give us a link to someone braver than you who will actually say something.

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    You guys love your Hitler

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    Chump and Flake triggered as usual...... They loved Obama kneeling and sucking Iran off and giving them billions. Where is the other spineless one, Wine Ho in all this? Democrats hate America and its becoming more obvious than ever. Have a nice day.

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    Chump and Flake triggered as usual...... They loved Obama kneeling and sucking Iran off and giving them billions. Where is the other spineless one, Wine Ho in all this? Democrats hate America and its becoming more obvious than ever. Have a nice day.
    "no new wars"

    You hate yourself along with your hating America.

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    it is true that Iran tried to interfere in the 2020 election -- to help Trump


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    perma war hawk Max Boot is lukewarm

    It’s easy to start a war. It’s very hard to end one successfully.



    That is a lesson that President George W. Bush learned in Iraq and Afghanistan—and previous presidents before him, in places ranging from Vietnam to Somalia. It is a lesson that President Donald Trump is likely to learn anew in Iran.



    In lieu of a prime-time address or a speech to Congress—which is what past presidents have done before starting a war—Trump posted an eight-minute video at 2:30 a.m. Eastern on Saturday laying out his war aims. His goals include:




    • “We are going to destroy their missiles and raze their missile industry to the ground.”
    • “We are going to annihilate their navy.”
    • “We are going to ensure that the region’s terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize the region or the world and attack our forces.”
    • “We will ensure that Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon.”
    • “The members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, the armed forces, and all of the police… lay down your arms…. To the great, proud people of Iran…. take over your government.”




    These are very ambitious objectives, and most of them cannot be achieved by air power alone. It is certainly possible to destroy most of Iran’s missiles, most of its navy, and most of its nuclear program with bombs and missiles. But what is to prevent Iran from rebuilding those capabilities the second that U.S. and Israeli bombs stop falling? Recall that Trump said that Iran’s nuclear program was “totally obliterated” last June, yet eight months later he is claiming the regime remains enough of a threat to justify U.S. military action (even though there is no evidence of Iran restarting enrichment).



    Trump’s third objective—ensuring that Iran will no longer support “terrorist proxies”—is even harder to achieve. As long as Iran has the capability to export oil (and it does, despite U.S. sanctions) it will generate revenues sufficient to support Hezbollah, the Houthis, and other proxy groups.



    The only thing that would make Iran stop supporting those organizations would be if the current clerical regime falls and is replaced by a liberal democracy. With his final war aim, Trump is signaling that he is pursuing regime change, but his approach is halfhearted. Ensuring the downfall of Iran’s government would require a ground invasion, which Trump has not ordered. Instead, he is hoping that U.S. air strikes—particularly if they killed Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other senior leaders—will galvanize another uprising. Perhaps security forces will lay down their arms this time, rather than slaughtering protesters as they did in January. Perhaps not.



    But hope isn’t a strategy, and it’s not clear that Trump actually has a plan to achieve regime change. Keep in mind that the U.S. intelligence community assessed prior to the start of hostilities that, even if Khamenei is killed, his likely successors will be hardline leaders from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps—the very people who oversee Iran’s terrorist networks along with its nuclear and missile programs.



    So the odds of Trump achieving all, or even most, of his objectives are remote, while the risks of miscalculation—resulting in a lengthy, indecisive conflict—are high. There are good reasons why previous presidents were reluctant to become embroiled in a war with Iran. Trump has ignored all the caveats. Now he will have to deal with the fallout from the biggest gamble of his presidency.
    https://www.cfr.org/articles/gauging...trikes-on-iran

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