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    Sorry, who's clinging to Russia gate beside Spurs Homer? Not sure who you're talking about.

    I'm familiar with most of the names you cited, I have reposted many of them here over the years. Putting Max Blumenthal first gives me some idea where you're coming from in this thread.

    Alternative news sources are great, but one would think the same skepticism applies as corporate news.
    One thing is for sure, there is very little money in truth telling. Very hard to monetize.

    Blumenthal is an excellent journalist and truth teller as is his wife.

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    So one journalist out of the many I mentioned, had an opinion six years ago about Covid that you disagreed with.

    Therefore all my news sources are hacks. And I'm an edgelord.

    Weaksauce.
    The Whitney Webb articles on Epstein are essential background but at the end of the day the dots aren't even connected, just highly patterned. If you think there's something conclusive there that's overreading imho.

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    Alternative news has angles and interests too.

    Unless you can figure out what those are, you can be led by the nose by alternative sources just as easily as mainstream ones.
    The difference usually is in the verification of the sources

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    So one journalist out of the many I mentioned, had an opinion six years ago about Covid that you disagreed with.

    Therefore all my news sources are hacks. And I'm an edgelord.

    Weaksauce.
    Lol "that I disagreed with". He was flat out wrong because he jumped to conclusions.

    I didn't say all your news sources are hacks but if you're only just following edgy alt right Twitter feeds and YouTube vids with movie music in the background, sooner or later you'll fall for conspiracy garbage.

    ...Just like with how you're claiming Israel controls the United States military decision making but you have nothing to back it up with except your edge lord conspiracy Twitter feeds. It's pretty funny, tbh.

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    One thing is for sure, there is very little money in truth telling. Very hard to monetize.

    Blumenthal is an excellent journalist and truth teller as is his wife.
    Nope, sorry.... this isn't truth telling:


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    The Whitney Webb articles on Epstein are essential background but at the end of the day the dots aren't even connected, just highly patterned. If you think there's something conclusive there that's overreading imho.
    Could you think of someone who's reporting on Epstein is any better? I couldn't. Patterned dots, she's pretty clear about Lex Wexner funding, etc... She does great work.

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    One thing is for sure, there is very little money in truth telling. Very hard to monetize.

    Blumenthal is an excellent journalist and truth teller as is his wife.
    like, which truths?

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    Lol "that I disagreed with". He was flat out wrong because he jumped to conclusions.

    I didn't say all your news sources are hacks but if you're only just following edgy alt right Twitter feeds and YouTube vids with movie music in the background, sooner or later you'll fall for conspiracy garbage.

    ...Just like with how you're claiming Israel controls the United States military decision making but you have nothing to back it up with except your edge lord conspiracy Twitter feeds. It's pretty funny, tbh.
    Chump, could you educate this dude? I know you know what's going on. He's completely lost.

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    Could you think of someone who's reporting on Epstein is any better? I couldn't. Patterned dots, she's pretty clear about Lex Wexner funding, etc... She does great work.
    I think they were very good articles. I have no doubt they persuaded people who saw their own pattern of thinking reflected and were glad for the confirmation. Connecting the dots.

    For all I know, Epstein really was a Mossad honeypot operation.

    But even if we stipulate that as given, I don't see how we get to therefore, "Israel controls all US presidents," or even "Israel controls Donald Trump"

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    like, which truths?
    War crimes against civilian populations. Collective punishment against children in Palestine. Reporting that goes against the Ukraine war narratives. Stuff that goes unreported on mainstream news.

    You probably know we haven't seen truthful reporting about wars on the news since Vietnam.

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    I think they were very good articles. I have no doubt they persuaded people who saw their own pattern of thinking reflected and were glad for the confirmation. Connecting the dots.

    For all I know, Epstein really was a Mossad honeypot operation.

    But even if we stipulate that as given, I don't see how we get to therefore, "Israel controls all US presidents," or even "Israel controls Donald Trump"
    What about the fact that most of the US wars in the last decades have been against Israel's neighbors?

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    Was the Mossad honey-pot operation to not control high ranking US politicians?

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    War crimes against civilian populations. Collective punishment against children in Palestine. Reporting that goes against the Ukraine war narratives. Stuff that goes unreported on mainstream news.

    You probably know we haven't seen truthful reporting about wars on the news since Vietnam.
    Because of Vietnam, the movement of the mainstream press is far less free than it used to be in war zones.

    Wrt to the bolded, what's Blumenthal's basic take on the Russia/Ukraine War?

    Is he still a pro-Russia guy?

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    Was the Mossad honey-pot operation to not control high ranking US politicians?
    I have no idea, I'm not the Mossad

    I doubt Trump is too worried about being punished for anything disclosed about him re: Jeffrey Epstein. A great volume of derogatory Epstein-related information about Trump has already been made public and nothing has happened to him yet.

    Even if an incriminating video were released, he'd just call it fake and go on about his day.

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    What about the fact that most of the US wars in the last decades have been against Israel's neighbors?
    Yeah, Afghanistan and Africa don't really fit, do they?

    I think the geostrategic gloss is more elegant, the US technical base relies heavily on oil and gas. Israel was propped up by the US as a strategic counterweight to oil producing countries after 1973.

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    Because of Vietnam, the movement of the mainstream press is far less free than it used to be in war zones.

    Wrt to the bolded, what's Blumenthal's basic take on the Russia/Ukraine War?

    Is he still a pro-Russia guy?
    He understands the neo-con agenda of trying to weaken Russia with a proxy war. All while forcing Europe to buy the US' LnG. He reported Victoria Newlands involvement with the coop of the dem elected leader in 2016. And the breaching of the Minsk agreements by Ukraine. The terrible influence of Boris Johnson persuading Zelelnsky to move forward with the war instead of signing a peace agreement, etc.

    Never reported on "official news" sources

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    sidebar: according to Michael Hudson, the petrodollar has basically funded the last 50 years of US military adventures owing to the balance of payments in favor of the US

    https://michael-hudson.com/wp-conten...mperialism.pdf

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    Yeah, Afghanistan and Africa don't really fit, do they?

    I think the geostrategic gloss is more elegant, the US technical base relies heavily on oil and gas. Israel was propped up by the US as a strategic counterweight to oil producing countries after 1973.
    So Israel is being propped up by the United States, to help it, steal more oil, essentially. Could be part of it

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    He understands the neo-con agenda of trying to weaken Russia with a proxy war. All while forcing Europe to buy the US' LnG. He reported Victoria Newlands involvement with the coop of the dem elected leader in 2016. And the breaching of the Minsk agreements by Ukraine. The terrible influence of Boris Johnson persuading Zelelnsky to move forward with the war instead of signing a peace agreement, etc.

    Never reported on "official news" sources
    Hmm, you'd have to read all the sources to say so it seems.

    I tend to doubt Max Blumenthal went uncovered in the MSM (a quick check of his wiki confirms), or that Blumenthal himself does not rely on the primary reporting of other news organizations -- pretty much all media outlets do.

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    So Israel is being propped up by the United States, to help it, steal more oil, essentially. Could be part of it
    not sure if Israel is still the top recipient of US defense aid with the war in Ukraine going on, but it's probably right up there

    what do you think is going on?

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    Hmm, you'd have to read all the sources to say so it seems.

    I tend to doubt Max Blumenthal went uncovered in the MSM (a quick check of his wiki confirms), or that Blumenthal himself does not rely on the primary reporting of other news organizations -- pretty much all media outlets do.
    He grew up in DC, he know's how the town works. I'm a fan of him and Aaron Mate's reporting, aggregating, whatever it is.

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    not sure if Israel is still the top recipient of US defense aid with the war in Ukraine going on, but it's probably right up there

    what do you think is going on?
    I think every president has “handlers”. I think Trump is the worst president in history. Yes, but he also is being influenced by his handlers, Steven Wicoff, Howard Lutnick. They work For Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu, who said recently he’s been planning this war for 40 years. His larger plan is the greater Israel project which is a land takeover of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Palestine, Iran, etc. etc. To build a larger Israel.

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    Israel needs all of it's neighbors to be vassal states in order to complete it's agenda.

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    He grew up in DC, he know's how the town works. I'm a fan of him and Aaron Mate's reporting, aggregating, whatever it is.
    Blumenthal and Mate do advocacy journalism, they pick good guys and bad guys, and you kind of know where they're driving the van before you get there.

    There's nothing wrong with taking sides or thinking you already know the truth and advocating for it, but for some people, that isn't journalism. When you defend Assad and Putin in public, you're gonna take a few lumps.

    I personally find Blumenthal over the top annoying. Maybe some people would call him passionate. The problem that I have with him and Mate both is that they both seem to be motivated by prior commitments to shade things in their favor -- I don't find them super-credible, but I'll sometime read them when they pop up.

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    Israel needs all of it's neighbors to be vassal states in order to complete it's agenda.
    Greater Israel isn't gonna happen. If you think irredentist war is bad now, just wait.

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