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I largely agree. Bonzi off the bench would be too much for teams to handle. But it's unlikely to happen and unlikely to happen well.
Bonzi + Spurs = CHAMPIONSHIP.
100% FACTUAL
I largely agree. Bonzi off the bench would be too much for teams to handle. But it's unlikely to happen and unlikely to happen well.
Boy, I'm away from the computer for ONE day, and look what I missed!!!
Anyway, I don't think that Bonzi to the Spurs is happening. He has a better chance of going to the Mavs though.
[QUOTE=Kori Ellis]Keep in mind, the source isn't the best.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18276.shtml
Spurs Throw in for Bonzi Wells
By Bill Ingram
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 29, 2006, 14:37
This guy has no more credibility than my neighbor's little daughter. He makes this stuff up all the time and acts like he has some inside info. If hoopsworld said it you can bet cold cash it never happened.
That's worse garbage than what the Spurs could offer I tell you what we'll sign Van Exel and trade him to you for the lot.How many times do I have to tell you people? Bonzi isn't going to SA, because he's going to DETROIT!
Sign and trade Bonzi for:
Carlos Delfino (1 million contract, solid young player with good potential)
Dale Davis (3.5 million expiring deal, solid backup C the Kings are looking for)
1.5 million trade exemption (salary cap relief)
Draft pick(s) - Maybe Detroits #1 this year since they also have Orlando's #1?
Its going to happen. Trust me.
If SPURS sign B Well, it will be huge matchup and foul troubles for all other teams in NBA including Dallas. If SPURS have Bonzi, Manu can come off the bench if B Wells insist to play starter role. After last year mistake, I believe Manu would do everything to help to reclaim the Championship status. B Well can pose chemistry issue but he is not that dumb to lower his value by totally refusing Pop's requests. This risk is worth taking and since no much team has cap space, his contract will be close to MLE which makes himself be a good trade asset once he signs with SPURS afterward. If he can help SPURS to get 1 yr championship, his value will rise and SPURS can trade him afterward with ease if chemisty is an issue.
The problem is how to get him. I hope the international games will help to drive up the value for Scola and Oberto so that some teams with capspace (like Bobcat, Altanta, Seattle???) would be interested in these players to help to arrange a S&T with a package of any combination of Scola, E William, Barry, Beno or Oberto. King will definitely not help SPURS. Some team will eventually offer more than LLE to B Wells. So it's merely a pipe dream but if there is any chance to get B Well, let's use the best effort to do so.
By the way, all the recent players let go by SPURS is because they suck not because they are bad boys (R Mercer, Rasho, Naza, C Wards). Even Pop said he doesn't mind bad boy (Stephen Jackson!!!).
hoopsworld did claim Rasho wanted out of SA badly and asked to be traded, don't know if it was the same writer but they got that right.
I don't think the spurs would think twice about getting wells, his at ude is not nearly as bad as Sjax but he has more talent then Jackson. Look what happened between Malone and Drob yet the spurs still went after him, look at Sprewell and what he did to one of our coaches yet we still considered signing him.
would the kings want barry? probably barry + scola, not a bad deal considering they'd get nothing if they let him walk but i don't know what other teams are offering, barry could be the back pg and sg for them.
Who said the maloofs aren't stupid? didn't they give webber his huge deal? Look what they're paying Miller and bibby and tell me they didn't have a stupid streak in there at some point. Getting artest and wells were two of there best deals in a long time, and they were the only 2 who showed up in the playoffs.
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Absolutely. It's ridiculous to say the Spurs wouldn't want him for this reason. Malone knocked Robinson out once.
There's no doubt the spurs want wells, look how much they valued Elson and Butler because they had good games against the spurs. Who had more success against us then wells last year? Now do the kings want to give the spurs Wells? probably not. But if they got something good in return they might do it, spurs need to find a team that wants Barry and would be willing the give up something the kings would want for wells. Presti is a master and making such deals work so i wouldn't put it past him if he finds a deal that works.
I would be very suprised if Bonzi came.
But I think TIMVP's CIA decoder ring hasn't worked once this offseason.
Another point to consider is how much Bonzi wants to get paid...
Looking at sign and trade options, I think that a package of barry and E. Williams makes the chance to give him the money he desires...means 8 - 9 millions a year for two to, at least, four years. That's the sort of money he wants. No MLE 'cause he already rejected the Sac. offer of more than 7 a year for five years.
In don't know how many teams are willing and capable to offer such a contract.
And, imho, Scola + barry + e.will is way too much for a player that's already not part of the sac. team ... Scola is relatively young, next year will be in nba (with spurs or some other team) and will be very, very good for a lot of years to come.
The fair offer : barry + e. will + 1 or 2 second choices
Bonzi Wells is one of the last guys I would want on the Spurs roster. He's been a problem everywhere he's played. I think it's a stupid to even think about since Bonzi is seeking a long term deal worth a lot of money. The Spurs aren't going to sign Bonzi for 5 years and $40 million+/-.
The Spurs have Manu, Bowen, Finley, and Barry to cover the swing positions and IMO that's good enough. I'd rather sign/trade for a younger player if the Spurs are going to make another move.
Was Bonzi a problem last year with Sacramento?
Uh no...
I find it highly unlikely that we will be able to get him since he will command more money than we could pay him.
However, remember all those problems getting rebounds with small ball lineups. Well, that would be a thing of the past if we got him.
I would take him a heart beat. Keep him off that 3 point line and get him driving to the basket and posting up and he is a beast. That's a man's rebound that he'll go up and get.
Many of the really good teams have match up advantages that they are able to exploit (e.g. Dallas). This would definitely give us a matchup advantage.
Also, judging from people's comments around here, hoopsworld is completely unreliable.
Too bad!
Timvp seems to own Mr. Body.
Please don't do away with your CIA decoder ring.
It's too valuable. How else are we supposed to make sense of our offseason nonmoves?
Well most players won't try to cause any problems in a contract year. Bonzi had problems in Portland and in Memphis.
He's had at ude problems since he played in college (and probaly in high-school too) and I'm sure it wouldn't stop if he signed here.
Eh. Spurs would be buying into the hype with Bonzi. One good playoffs and one decent season - when he knew he was playing for a contract - does not erase the fact that he's been a cancer on almost every team he's played for and been inconsistent AT BEST throughout his career. Barry's not that much older, in better shape, and a more solid role player off the bench.
And since I disagree with most everything the article says (as does most every analyst out there) about Butler, Elson, and Bonner, I don't really believe there's any truth to this article anyway.
Actually, I don't see the match-up problem ... with the Mavs anyway.
Parker - Manu - Bowen as about the same as Parker - Wells - Bowen. Either way Howard gets to play defense on a SG, as Bowen is hardly worth guarding (until he steps into the corner)
The real problem would be Parker - Manu - Wells. That would be a problem with other teams but then the Mavs just come with Buckner and Howard to guard the Manu and Wells.
I don't really see the match-up problem.
The Spurs are not giving up much for such a player. Williams is about done, Barry is done and Scola .... He has yet to play at this level, it's like Oberto, you never know till they actualy play the game at this level. Its in a teams best interest to "talk up" the talent that they have or have aquired, both for their fans and for other teams that don't do the same level of homework before trades. I will believe Scola is "very good" when I see him play at this level.
I think I would look for a better deal then William, Barry and Scola for a player like Wells.
Since when did Rasho ask to be traded? The post trade quotes had him lamenting being traded but chalking it up to being the best plan since he wasn't getting traded. But he gave the impression that he wanted to stay, as long as he's get played.
Hoopsworld loves to take things that writers bat around the office (much as they do on this message board) and print them up as "facts" and real life rumors.
Actually, Rasho's agent talked to him about possible trades, and Rasho told him to keep an eye out for interest in his services. That isn't the same thing as asking the team to trade you- but everyone already knew they were going to try to do that anyway.
Bonzi is a real talent. A "power guard" as they often called him in the playoffs, he can post up smaller defenders and has a reliable outside shot (not from 3pt...that was a fluke). He has the tools to be a great defender (quickness, strength, size) and his agressiveness/intensity could be viewed as a positive just as easily as a negative. Having said all that, the Spurs have been wary of offering deals that last for more than three seasons (when all but Tim, Tony, and Manu's contracts are up) and I find it hard to believe the Spurs would offer between $8 and $9 million to a player who wasn't already established on this team like Tony and Manu were. Also, one of the noted goals of the FO was to get younger and more athletic on the wing. While Bonzi is certainly athletic, he is 29yrs old. I'm not saying he's a dinosaur, but I'm pretty sure that other options will become available once all teams start playing and figuring out which players are dispensable. Let's not overreact to our low-key off-season additions by trading away a great asset ($5 mil cap space) and a 40% 3pt shooter and award an $8 mil contract to a guy who played spectacular b-ball for 1 playoff series.
buckner can't hold manu.
BUCKNA ON GINOBLI? PUHLEEEEEAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZEEEE!
ridiculous.
W3rd. Manu owns Buckner.
Why? He claimed the Spurs would never look at Bonzi Wells, but a number of us have come on to prove him wrong with a list of players with worse histories the Spurs have gone after. He himself is the biggest Qyntel Woods backer, who is 10x the headcase Wells is.Timvp seems to own Mr. Body.
Please don't do away with your CIA decoder ring.
It's too valuable. How else are we supposed to make sense of our offseason nonmoves?
Timvp enjoys a lot of cachet on this board, often rightfully so. He's like the boss everybody applauds heartily at the ring toss during the company picnic. But he's also at times wrong.
How do you know when timvp has lost an argument? He disappears from the thread.
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