SUNS lookin at Kandiman

[shaggy17]

ahhh. ok then. "on paper" they MIGHT be, but I still thin "on paper" Dallas is better.


Being MVP does not make you the best player in the league. Is Nash better than Lebron? Dirk? Duncan? nope.

If Suns want to go all the way their team has to revolve around Stoudamire, he has to become their best player, by best player I mean their unstoppable player. Nash is not that(see playoff series vs. Spurs/Dallas).


so if u don't take the worst case scenario. Why are you taking the best case scenario? Let's just take the middle road, which puts Amare as great/allstar but not THE PLAYER the Suns need to win it all.


you are wrong. if anyone is gonna beat the Spurs, it will be Dallas again

Agreed if Pop doesnt take a page out of Pat Rileys book and use some kind of Riley Ball method

[JMarkJohns]

I think both Phoenix and Dallas are being overrated within this thread. Dallas had A LOT of breaks go their way last year and I would figure that to be an unlikelyhood to continue into next year. Phoenix, on the other hand, hasn't proven they can beat San Antonio in any incarnation, so until I see it, I won't believe that they are the favorite.

All three teams will be very, very good and if all three teams have relatively good health for the year, it'll be a of a battle, but for my money, San Antonio has the experience and while I'm not crazy about their offseason, honestly, I didn't think a good offseason was a necessity for Championship contention next year. The were, afterall, probably one Manu bonehead foul from another Finals appearance.

[mavsfan1000]

I think both Phoenix and Dallas are being overrated within this thread. Dallas had A LOT of breaks go their way last year and I would figure that to be an unlikelyhood to continue into next year. Phoenix, on the other hand, hasn't proven they can beat San Antonio in any incarnation, so until I see it, I won't believe that they are the favorite.

All three teams will be very, very good and if all three teams have relatively good health for the year, it'll be a of a battle, but for my money, San Antonio has the experience and while I'm not crazy about their offseason, honestly, I didn't think a good offseason was a necessity for Championship contention next year. The were, afterall, probably one Manu bonehead foul from another Finals appearance.

Well the Terry bonehead equalizes the Manu bonehead play. With Terry in there mavs would've won in 6. Mavs got better this offseason while the spurs took a step back but it is still pretty equal with the suns being my 3rd choice.

[sickdsm]

LOL, most teams do get a lot of breaks to make it to the finals.

[shaggy17]

Well the Terry bonehead equalizes the Manu bonehead play. With Terry in there mavs would've won in 6. Mavs got better this offseason while the spurs took a step back but it is still pretty equal with the suns being my 3rd choice.

Mavs didnt get better mentally. That finals loss to Miami is something they wont get over anytime soon. You dont just choke a 2-0 lead in the finals and being 6 1/2 minutes away from going up 3-0 to lose the finals and just shake it off for the next year. If this was any other round then I wouldnt think it would be an issue but this was with a championship at stake. Something you work for all season and to come that close and lose like that is something that will haunt you forever. They will be a force in the west but when push comes to shove it is going to show that they havent forgotten that series.

[JMarkJohns]

LOL, most teams do get a lot of breaks to make it to the finals.

Counting on getting those same breaks again is like counting on a football to bounce straight. It's foolishness, plain and simple.

Of course teams get breaks. Should you figure such will always be the case?

[nkdlunch]

Mavs didnt get better mentally. That finals loss to Miami is something they wont get over anytime soon. You dont just choke a 2-0 lead in the finals and being 6 1/2 minutes away from going up 3-0 to lose the finals and just shake it off for the next year. If this was any other round then I wouldnt think it would be an issue but this was with a championship at stake. Something you work for all season and to come that close and lose like that is something that will haunt you forever. They will be a force in the west but when push comes to shove it is going to show that they havent forgotten that series.

sorry to bring this up, but do you remember .4?

[mavsfan1000]

Mavs didnt get better mentally. That finals loss to Miami is something they wont get over anytime soon. You dont just choke a 2-0 lead in the finals and being 6 1/2 minutes away from going up 3-0 to lose the finals and just shake it off for the next year. If this was any other round then I wouldnt think it would be an issue but this was with a championship at stake. Something you work for all season and to come that close and lose like that is something that will haunt you forever. They will be a force in the west but when push comes to shove it is going to show that they havent forgotten that series.

Sounds like a lot of bull . Every team wipes the slate clean the next year. .4 is a perfect example of that. Anyways coming so close to winning a championship is going to just make them hungrier and more desperate to do it the next year. This is a young team so I think they know they will have another chance.

[shaggy17]

Sounds like a lot of bull . Every team wipes the slate clean the next year. .4 is a perfect example of that. Anyways coming so close to winning a championship is going to just make them hungrier and more desperate to do it the next year. This is a young team so I think they know they will have another chance.

.4 wasnt the NBA Finals it was the 2nd round. I dont think their hunger is going to be the same. The Mavs had a 2-0 lead and a 13 point lead with 6 1/2 minutes left in the 4th of the NBA FINALS. You know the series that decides the CHAMPIONSHIP!! This wasnt the first round, semis or WCF. To come that close and lose 4 straight in that kind of fashion for something you had to work your way through since late September you cant just shake off. They will still very much be in the mix of things but this will always be something that will be in the back end of their minds and will continue to haunt them. Also if your going to call the Mavs a young team you might as well call the Spurs the same thing. The age factor isnt exactly a huge gap between both teams.

[Bruno]

Mavs aren't as talented as Suns and when you look more closely they their 06 playoffs performance isn't that impressive :
- Memphis was an easy first round.
- It took them 7 games to beat Spurs with Finley starting at PF.
- Phoenix wasn't deep at all and they come from 2 seven games series.

[mavsfan1000]

.4 wasnt the NBA Finals it was the 2nd round. I dont think their hunger is going to be the same. The Mavs had a 2-0 lead and a 13 point lead with 6 1/2 minutes left in the 4th of the NBA FINALS. You know the series that decides the CHAMPIONSHIP!! This wasnt the first round, semis or WCF. To come that close and lose 4 straight in that kind of fashion for something you had to work your way through since late September you cant just shake off. They will still very much be in the mix of things but this will always be something that will be in the back end of their minds and will continue to haunt them. Also if your going to call the Mavs a young team you might as well call the Spurs the same thing. The age factor isnt exactly a huge gap between both teams.

If we go from last years lineup it is.
Diop 24 Duncan 30
Nowitzki 28 Finley 33
J. Howard 26 Bowen 35
Terry 29 Ginobili 29
Harris 23 Parker 24.

[sickdsm]

Counting on getting those same breaks again is like counting on a football to bounce straight. It's foolishness, plain and simple.

Of course teams get breaks. Should you figure such will always be the case?

I'm just saying from exp. For all you know it could be the nuggets and the spurs in the wcf.


Your'e no differnt expecting Amare to be Amare again.......

[JMarkJohns]

I'm just saying from exp. For all you know it could be the nuggets and the spurs in the wcf.


Your'e no differnt expecting Amare to be Amare again.......

Maybe you should put the above statement this way, "THE SUNS are no different, expecting Amare to be Amare again......."

Ya know, since I clearly stated above that the Suns have issues and are being overrated by some in this thread.

[confined]

.4 wasnt the NBA Finals it was the 2nd round. I dont think their hunger is going to be the same. The Mavs had a 2-0 lead and a 13 point lead with 6 1/2 minutes left in the 4th of the NBA FINALS. You know the series that decides the CHAMPIONSHIP!! This wasnt the first round, semis or WCF. To come that close and lose 4 straight in that kind of fashion for something you had to work your way through since late September you cant just shake off. They will still very much be in the mix of things but this will always be something that will be in the back end of their minds and will continue to haunt them. Also if your going to call the Mavs a young team you might as well call the Spurs the same thing. The age factor isnt exactly a huge gap between both teams.

dude get over urself already...im sick of comeing into threads and seeing u post bull all over the place...and having 2 -3 pages of people tellng u that u dont kno ...get a clue...we all now u hate the mavs...but thats no reason to post bull about them...they beat u..show soem respect...they r as of now the best in the west so just get over it...opening week isnt too far away

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

How the did we go from thinking about Olowakandi going to the Suns to talking about comparing the Spurs/Mavs/Suns? Every other thread ending with a Mavs-Spurs fans clash is getting old and annoying. So let me end it here.
The Heat are the best team by winning the championship. The Mavs are the best in the west as of now because they got to the Finals, even though they got some calls we can't blame the entire series on something else other than basketball skills. Part of it but not all of it. The Spurs effort had something to do with it. Some people as of now think the Spurs are better and some think the Mavs are better. Ithink the Spurs are better by a slim lead(like 10 to 9.8). Don't turn that into a fight. IT'S JUST AN OPINION! Everything before today is history so it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is the future. But since we don't know what's gonna happen, for now SHUT UP! Mavs fans respect Spurs and Spurs fans. And Spurs fans respect Mavs and Mavs fans. And if you don't want to don't turn it into a put down. Just speak your opinion and that's it. And as for the Amare thing, is recovering from season-ending surgery, so we shouldn't expect a lot from him yet. For all we know, he can be another Grant Hill. So now can we get this out of the way and go back to talking about Olowakandi?

[shaggy17]

If we go from last years lineup it is.
Diop 24 Duncan 30
Nowitzki 28 Finley 33
J. Howard 26 Bowen 35
Terry 29 Ginobili 29
Harris 23 Parker 24.

George 28,Croshere 32,Buckner 30,Anthony Johnson 32,Ager 22,Damp 31,Mbenga 25,Stackhouse 32

Horry 36, Williams 34, Barry 34,Butlar 21,Elson 30,Oberto 31, Bonner 26,Udrih 24,

The Mavs average age is close to 27 the Spurs age is close to 30. 3 years apart is nothing. Dirk is only 2 years younger then Duncan/Harris is only 1 year younger then Parker while Terry and Manu are pretty much the same age. Howard and Diop do have the youth age over Bowen and Elson/Finley (Since were trying last years matchup) but that doesnt make the age difference that huge between the teams. Comparing both benches your not much younger then our bench as well. If the Spurs are considered "old" then the Mavs should be considered "old" as well.

[shaggy17]

dude get over urself already...im sick of comeing into threads and seeing u post bull all over the place...and having 2 -3 pages of people tellng u that u dont kno ...get a clue...we all now u hate the mavs...but thats no reason to post bull about them...they beat u..show soem respect...they r as of now the best in the west so just get over it...opening week isnt too far away

Go back and read how this all got started. An opinion was stated so I decided to respond to it with one of my own. Mavsfan said the Mavs took a major step foward while the spurs/suns are going backwards and I responded to him on why I think differently.

[mavsfan1000]

George 28,Croshere 32,Buckner 30,Anthony Johnson 32,Ager 22,Damp 31,Mbenga 25,Stackhouse 32

Horry 36, Williams 34, Barry 34,Butlar 21,Elson 30,Oberto 31, Bonner 26,Udrih 24,

The Mavs average age is close to 27 the Spurs age is close to 30. 3 years apart is nothing. Dirk is only 2 years younger then Duncan/Harris is only 1 year younger then Parker while Terry and Manu are pretty much the same age. Howard and Diop do have the youth age over Bowen and Elson/Finley (Since were trying last years matchup) but that doesnt make the age difference that huge between the teams. Comparing both benches your not much younger then our bench as well. If the Spurs are considered "old" then the Mavs should be considered "old" as well.

Butler and Beno makes your average team age look pretty good but neither I doubt will have much role for the spurs next year. We'll see what happens but I think the age difference is a huge plus for the mavs over the spurs. If the spurs go with that same lineup as last year it won't be as good considering the age count.

[mavs>spurs2]

Wow, first shaggy17 wants to talk about getting better mentally, completely forgetting about .4 and how next year is always a clean slate. Then he claims that the mavs aren't much younger than the spurs, which is a lie. You can't really count Beno/Butler when figuring average age because they have yet to prove anything, of course they bring the average down. Most of the key players except for The big 3 are OLD.

dude get over urself already...im sick of comeing into threads and seeing u post bull all over the place...and having 2 -3 pages of people tellng u that u dont kno ...

He's too stupid to understand how badly he gets owned everytime this happens. He will have 10 different posters over a 3 page argument telling him that he's wrong, and he still thinks he's actually winning. You have to either learn to ignore him or click the ignore button, because there is no reasoning with him.

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Go back and read how this all got started. An opinion was stated so I decided to respond to it with one of my own. Mavsfan said the Mavs took a major step foward while the spurs/suns are going backwards and I responded to him on why I think differently.

You are a ing idiot has anyone ever told you that?? Even spurs fans think you are a dumbass who doesnt know about the game. Any spurs fan viewing this thread know your a ing idiot who doesnt know your oatmeal from your . Why does your stupid ass have to give them such a bad image?? The fact that you call Dirk an all star and soft and say that the Mavs wont mentally recover from the finals shows your true intelligence. Shaggy I am getting sick and tired of these ing posts of pointless bull ruining every damn thread.

[shaggy17]

You are a ing idiot has anyone ever told you that?? Even spurs fans think you are a dumbass who doesnt know about the game. Any spurs fan viewing this thread know your a ing idiot who doesnt know your oatmeal from your . Why does your stupid ass have to give them such a bad image?? The fact that you call Dirk an all star and soft and say that the Mavs wont mentally recover from the finals shows your true intelligence. Shaggy I am getting sick and tired of these ing posts of pointless bull ruining every damn thread.

Typical response from a Mavs fan!

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Typical response from a Mavs fan!

Typical response from a dumb who only knows how to talk from his ass instead of his mouth. I read your other posts about how Kobe is a "team player". My goodness so much for me even thinking you had any kind of a brain. You lost any creditibility (if there was any) from me after posting that bull and actually defending it. Shaggy do yourself a favor and stop posting here. You are only making an ass out of yourself and keep on getting owned. Stop making other spurs fans look bad because of your "opinions".

[mavs>spurs2]

Typical response from a dumb who only knows how to talk from his ass instead of his mouth. I read your other posts about how Kobe is a "team player". My goodness so much for me even thinking you had any kind of a brain. You lost any creditibility (if there was any) from me after posting that bull and actually defending it. Shaggy do yourself a favor and stop posting here. You are only making an ass out of yourself and keep on getting owned. Stop making other spurs fans look bad because of your "opinions".

Well said.

[mavsfan1000]

Typical response from a dumb who only knows how to talk from his ass instead of his mouth. I read your other posts about how Kobe is a "team player". My goodness so much for me even thinking you had any kind of a brain. You lost any creditibility (if there was any) from me after posting that bull and actually defending it. Shaggy do yourself a favor and stop posting here. You are only making an ass out of yourself and keep on getting owned. Stop making other spurs fans look bad because of your "opinions".

Kinda rough on him since there is homerism all around this board. There are opinions out there that say that Kobe hasn't had much success when he did pass the ball so he is forced to take over. Not that I'm defending his points or anything.