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he can go through all the rehab he wants. I personally don't think he'll ever be the same player, hopefully he'll still be a good productive player (kidd, and some C-Webb), but nothing like we've seen from him before.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...unsnb1027.html
I really feel bad for the guy (and for Suns fans).
Stoudemire feels doubted by team
Bob Young
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 27, 2006 12:00 AM
The pain has returned to Amaré Stoudemire's surgically repaired knees, and he said after Thursday's practice that he doesn't believe the Suns organization has complete confidence that he'll be the same player he was before the injuries.
"I don't think so," Stoudemire said when asked about the team's belief in his full recovery. "I think they're waiting on me to show them. It's up to me to get back there."
Coach Mike D'Antoni said Stoudemire did "almost everything" in practice Thursday but is still "a little stiff here and there."
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"You have to ask him more than me," D'Antoni said. "He looked OK. He didn't play a whole lot. He looks a little better. He's getting a little more athletic."
Stoudemire was able to do more than he did on Wednesday, and said he has had "sharp" pain in the knees the past two days. He reiterated what he said during the team's training camp in Italy - that he's going to need recovery days to recuperate. He said his recent setback is similar to what he experienced in Europe after going hard for "seven or eight days in a row."
He said that during the past couple of weeks he hasn't taken a day off except when the whole team was off.
He also said that during the season when the Suns play back-to-back games, he might need a recovery day at practice. Whether he gets the blessing of D'Antoni and the Suns organization remains to be seen.
"I haven't talked to them yet, but I definitely hope so," Stoudemire said.
But Stoudemire sounded as if he believes he has the support of the team.
"I hope so," he said. "I'm definitely doing whatever I can. . . . Whatever they've asked me to do; I'm definitely doing it. I pushed through the pain pretty much the whole practice."
he can go through all the rehab he wants. I personally don't think he'll ever be the same player, hopefully he'll still be a good productive player (kidd, and some C-Webb), but nothing like we've seen from him before.
Maybe if he gave half his money back everyone would feel a lot better.
I agree, one of the first thoughts that came to my mind was the fact that every player that has had that surgery has never been the same. I was really pulling for him to get through it, because the game is lot more fun when more teams are possible contenders. And also he puts on a good show for all NBA fans when he was healthy, and gives the Suns a monster effort every night. The other day he was complaining about how he has tremendous pain in his knees still. Also the Suns organization was on him because they felt like he wasn't putting all his effort into coming back. He said that he is putting all his effort, but hes knees still bother him.
Suns try to reassure Amaré
Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 27, 2006 11:43 PM
During the Suns preseason, the practices when Amaré Stoudemire's knees ache are usually followed with practices with no discomfort.
Rough days give way to smooth ones. Smiles and confidence just mean a frown and doubt are near.
So when knees and feelings were hurt this week, it only meant harmony was ahead.
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On Thursday, Stoudemire said he cut his participation in this week's practices short because of sharp knee pain and that he doubted the Suns' belief in his ability to recover.
On Friday, Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver and coach Mike D'Antoni met with their former All-Star before practice to gauge how they could help, find common ground on pain tolerance and share how important he is to the team. In turn, Stoudemire had a better practice, played in all of it feeling better (but not pain-free) and reiterated that the burden of proof for improvement is on him.
"We've pretty much got a good understanding," said Stoudemire, who planned to return today for treatment on the team's off day. "That's pretty much a done deal."
He said his Thursday statement came out bolder than intended. The plan is for Stoudemire and D'Antoni to talk more.
"He doesn't feel that way and the organization doesn't feel that way," Sarver said as to whether the Suns doubt Stoudemire's ability to return. "He didn't voice that concern to me.
"From my standpoint, it's just that he's progressing in the right direction. The good news is he's just one piece of our team and the other pieces are very good. He complements us, but the team isn't depending on him for success."
Stoudemire will be the Suns' sixth man, a role he seems fine with after summer talk of being an All-Star. He said it feels like his rookie year again.
"One year of coming off the bench is not going to be a major setback in my career," said Stoudemire, who plans to play for the national team next year. "I think it's actually going to help that I'm not playing 40 minutes a night."
There is obvious frustration from Stoudemire and the staff. D'Antoni acknowledged that and anticipates "screw-ups" from both of them but said there is no problem because they share common goals.
D'Antoni did bristle at the notion of "recovery days," as Stoudemire has called them. The coach noted that Stoudemire had six of the past 19 days off. He said Stoudemire has to trust the Suns and their medical staff to advise when he needs rest. And Stoudemire wants the same in return.
"They have to understand that I'm totally honest with the way I feel and what I report to them," said Stoudemire, whose manager, Rodney Rice, attended Friday's practice. "If I feel pain, it's just the fact that they have to trust my word."
A theme continued with the emphasis on how pain and discomfort differ.
"When there's tiredness or soreness, that doesn't count," said D'Antoni, who cited Steve Nash's back soreness. "When there's pain, he sits out."
Stoudemire tires of the daily inquisition but understands he is "definitely one of the biggest stories in the league."
I love it when messageboard fans say stuff like "I personally don't think he'll be the same" as if they were the surgeons or therapists working with the player giving their expert opinion.
Did you guys examine him yourself? Is that what your opinion is based on?
Maybe Amare never will be the same again. But, how do you know for a fact? The pain he's going through now, the majority of athletes who have had the same procedure have gone through the same thing. The pain is just a part of the re-hab.
And, if he does make a full recovery, these same characters will be like, "well, wow, he proved me wrong." Well, uh, yeeeeeah, because you didn't do the surgery; you didn't do his re-hab; you didn't even examine his knee to know what you were talking about in the first place.
do you know for a fact amare will be the same
I live in az
well then you must know everything.
Did he say it was a fact jackass?Read again... "personally" (as in a personal belief) "think" (as in opinion).
Graduate 7th grade and learn how to read (I hear that's quite a problem with kids nowadays) before you go off moron.
Every player in recent memory that we have known of that has gone through microfracture knee surgery has never been the same afterwards. Jason Kidd, Chris Webber, Penny Hardaway to name a few.
Now, Stoudamire has a better chance to regain his form, since he was so young when he went under the knife. But it isn't going to be easy. And heck, it might not even be possible. The two first things to go in a NBA players physique due to wear and tear are knees and back. (due to the hopping and jumping)
there is more coverage here about him then in texas
I am a spur
I go here because most posters here are from sa texas
they have more local info on things
No one knows everything
One scary proponent to Amare's recovery is the fact that pre-surgery Amare's game was based primarily on his explosive talent and physical dominance with not much real skill.
He began to develop a jumper in the latter part of the season before he got injured, but for the most part all he did was jump over, run over, or spin around a guy. Never used a lot of touch or skill to out play his opponent.
Now that explosiveness has been taken away and what we see is a player in limbo.
It'll eventually comeback, but not soon enough for the Suns to make a run this season and not long enough to make that $70 million contract worthwhile.
He lacks cwebbs skills so journyman carrear! Wow who will the suns ruin next?
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