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no kidding because the media is sucking james
even though melo is scoring more then james
If his foul didn't lead to the brawl, he would have got a ZERO GAME SUSPENSION.
no kidding because the media is sucking james
even though melo is scoring more then james
Stern was no doubt going to come down hard. He's doing all he can to make the NBA more "marketable".
He's changed the dress code and upped the technicals. Now if he can find a way to ban cornrows, tattoos and rap music, he'll complete his vision.
The Knicks punishment should be to have all players on the floor wear these for the rest of season: (especially the poodle nate robinson)
Carmelo Anthony - one of the NBA's future stars, escalated an already calming situation.
I think it gets reduced to 12 upon arbitration, but if Melo does not swing on Collins after the players were separated, his initial suspension is not 15 games.
i agree. but i think the sucker punch drives this punishment and i think it'll hold up. they'll bring up the kermit washington/rudy t punch as evidence that sucker punches must be severely punished.
I acknowledge your reasoning, I just don't believe the 15 will hold.
If it does, Stern just got past the new ball debacle.
JR Smith should have been suspended for longer. Hes a punk and single-handedly caused that thing to spiral out of control.
from a pr standpoint, if i was melo, i wouldn't appeal. he's got a whole lot to do to clean up his image now. it just reinforces the thug image. but then again, what about the precedent it sets. talk about a difficult situation for his handlers
wow, so much hatred for melo. really wgaf? anyway, i'd like to read the insider article led "isaiah's a little punk" please post if you have it, thanks!
Lessons for kids -
1. Feel free to punch fans as well as players, you'll get 15 games either way.
2. Don;t be remorseful coz that wont help, instead you should gloat about what happened
3. If you live in New York then the NBA will go lightly on you
4. Listen to your coach at all times, even if it means trying to break someones neck
i hope ur friends never have to rely on u in a fight, panzy
I don't the NBA is done. I think they just handed out the suspensions because both teams play tonight and they needed to be handed out today. I think Thomas will get his too. I'm not sure though.
I think Melo made it worse. If he doesn't sucker slap the guy, the whole situation would have been done with.
one thing about this whole incident, it blows my mind how many posters have never been in a fight, especially a sports-related fight.
I'm glad to see the NBA came down hard, but Nate Robinson should have gotten the worst penalty. He's the one who made it spiral out of control.
That's just a link to this article.
Knicks becoming the new 'Bad Boys'
Monday, December 18, 2006
By STEVE ADAMEK
STAFF WRITER
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
If Isiah Thomas and his team are keeping score, Saturday night's brouhaha with the Nuggets that's certain to produce significant suspensions and fines before the two teams' games tonight ran the Knicks' bad-blood tab to four opponents in less than two months.
Twenty-five more teams to go, a cynic might say.
Call them separate matters, but at least four incidents involving the Knicks since the end of the preseason suggest to some in the NBA that Thomas still harbors some of what he and his "Bad Boy" Pistons teammates wore as a badge of honor during their two championship runs.
"He's still a little punk," one assistant coach said recently.
Thomas insists (albeit in the context of playing on the road) that he doesn't believe in instilling an "us against them" mentality into his team.
Yet, the following episodes over the past seven-plus weeks certainly boiled some bad blood:
Oct. 27: During the Nets' 138-121 victory in the cross-Hudson rivals' final preseason game, Steve Francis tries to go after Mikki Moore after a hard foul by the Nets' big man with 16.1 seconds left, Eddy Curry confronts Nenad Krstic after Quentin Richardson fouls the Nets' center and Nets coach Lawrence Frank turns away as Thomas approaches him after the final buzzer.
Scouting report: The NBA's Cinderella team arrives after Sunday's win in Toronto that left it 6-5 since a 12-1 start. Second-year point guard Deron Williams has been likened to Jason Kidd with a shot and after two injury-riddled seasons, forward Carlos Boozer is averaging a double-double.
Nov. 4: Believing the Pacers over-celebrated their 109-95 victory in the Knicks' home opener, Thomas says, "We'll have a long memory and one day we'll be the team that's on top doing the kicking and the stepping."
Perhaps that explains the late-game flagrant foul laid on Pacers' bench-warmer Maceo Baston three days ago in Indiana by ... Knicks' rookie Mardy Collins, whose flagrant foul of J.R. Smith ignited Saturday's brawl.
Nov. 11: Thomas has to be kept from going after Spurs coach Gregg Popovich in San Antonio when Popovich takes exception to Thomas shouting at his players to "break [Bruce Bowen's] foot." Thomas blamed the Spurs' forward for causing Francis' sprained ankle by undercutting the Knicks' guard five days earlier in New York.
Saturday: Collins throws down Smith as the Nuggets' guard attempts a breakaway dunk with Denver up 19 and 1:15 to play. Four players (including Carmelo Anthony) throw punches and Jared Jeffries has to be restrained from going after the Denver star in a brawl that begins near Knicks owner James L. Dolan's baseline seat and spills into the crowd before traveling almost the length of the floor.
"Clearly this isn't how we or the NBA or anybody wants to be perceived," Thomas said.
Clearly, NBA commissioner David Stern and disciplinary vice president Stu Jackson will come down hard on those involved in the aftermath of 2004's "Malice at the Palace" between Indiana and Detroit (which Stern, two days later at the Garden, called an "unprecedented fiasco.")
Anthony, Collins, Smith and Nate Robinson face automatic suspensions for throwing punches.
The six other players on the floor who were ejected after the incident could be fined, if not suspended, as could anyone from either bench who took even one step onto the floor (also an automatic suspension).
Multiple-game suspensions are possible for Anthony (for the haymaker he threw as Collins was being held), Robinson (who jumped between Collins and Smith, and pushed the fight into the stands) and Jeffries (for chasing Anthony).
Thomas could earn a suspension after his reported suggestion to Anthony that Collins' foul was pre-conceived. Robinson indicated as much when he said, "I knew a foul was going to come, a hard one, because we're not going to let guys keep dunking and keep dunking when they're up 20 and they've got their starters in."
It isn't beyond the realm of possibility, as happened after the Knicks-Heat Game 5 fracas during the 1997 playoffs, that so many players will be suspended, the sit-downs may have to be staggered alphabetically (by league rule) so the Knicks and Nuggets can dress enough players for subsequent games (the NBA minimum is eight).
A league spokesman said Sunday the matter was under review and that it would "basically take a day to get through everything."
The Knicks, meanwhile, didn't practice Sunday for tonight's game against 18-6 Utah. That prevented anyone from verbally fanning the flames of what they called a bonding incident Saturday because of the way teammates came to the defense of each other.
Yet by bonding internally, the Knicks could further fracture a season already approaching the brink of failure at 9-17.
"We're going to keep pushing forward," Jeffries said.
For at least four teams, that seems to mean pushing a little too hard.
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Carmelo's idea of protecting his friends (what his friends can rely on him for):
Wait til after the fight is basically over. And, when one of the guys who's fighting with your friends is either being restrained or not looking, smack him in the face and back pedal as far as you can go while pretending to be tough.
I hope your friends are not like Carmelo, because you'll get your ass beat in a fight.
"if i was melo, i wouldn't appeal"
His $$lawyer will convince him to $$appeal.
Melo doesn't have the maturity to shut up and take it like man.
He'll squeal and whine like wounded for an appeal,
to keep his bling-bling budget topped up.
These suspensions cost each player what in $$$?
Are the costs of the suspensions tax deductible?
Really? What about Nate Robinson? I can understand a one on one thing, it happens all the time but when a second guy jumps in, then things escalate and this could have been over had Nate Robinson put his elephant balls in check and acted mature.
Its not that. The posters on this forum dont get paid millions to play ball.
Nate was fired up. However, if you look at the video, it shows JR Smith uppercutting Nate and then that's when Nate took him down in the front row.
I'm glad the NBA had a brawl, or it would have been a long few days between Spurs games
I'm glad the NBA had a brawl, or it would have been a long few days between Spurs games
i agree...more, more
Henry Abbott's brief reaction:
http://www.truehoop.comThe Suspensions
David Stern went out of his way, it would seem, to acknowledge Isiah Thomas's role in this, by saying “Teams will be held accountable for the actions of their employees--management and players alike."
But then he didn't punish Thomas specifically, which would have been some really bad PR, I guess. Instead Stern fined the Nuggets and Knicks identically--$500,000 each. I'd be interested to hear what the two teams were fined for specifically. They're not really fining the Nuggets for playing starters, are they? I bet the tams, especially the Nuggets, are either extremely pissed off--or have a quiet understanding that they'll be refunded some or all of that money.
Here are the rest of the suspensions.
* The Knicks and Nuggets organizations have each been fined $500,000 each as a result of the altercation.
* Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony has been suspended for 15 games.
* Knicks guard Nate Robinson has been suspended for 10 games.
* Nuggets guard J.R. Smith has been suspended for 10 games.
* Knicks guard Mardy Collins has been suspended for six games.
* Knicks forward Jared Jeffries has been suspended for four games.
* Knicks center Jerome James has been suspended for one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.
* Nuggets forward Nene has been suspended one game for leaving the bench during an on-court altercation.
Six games seems harsh for a hard foul for Mardy Collins. Everyone else's seems about right to me, given that you can round up 50% for brawling post Auburn Hills. (If the Nuggets can make the playoffs, they should be a little fresher and more motivated than everyone else once they get there.)
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