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  1. #101
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    btw, neither are good QBs.

    Oh man, you are going to start an argument with that one. I'm waiting for the Vick fans to step in.

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    simple, he is not the feature back and Deuce gets most of the goal line action (almost all the goal line carries).
    For being such an explosive back, he's only averaging 3.3 yards per carry, right on par with his heisman counterpart Ron Dayne

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    Oh man, you are going to start an argument with that one. I'm waiting for the Vick fans to step in.
    vick is a joke and kordell sucked. and vyoung won't even be as good as vick.

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    Elway started out slow, took him a full season. Marino was Marino from day one though, and led his team to the super bowl his rookie year. I'm not sure about Aikman either. I agree with you about teammates making a difference though, I'm just saying that the great ones make up for their teammates.
    I can agree with that, but even the great ones need a decent supporting cast. I don't think any one player can make the ans a playoff team this year

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    For being such an explosive back, he's only averaging 3.3 yards per carry, right on par with his heisman counterpart Ron Dayne

    I'll go and get the stats for Bush in regards to total yards per game of production and I'll bet he's making quite an impact for the team. Furthermore, Bush is opening things up for the rest of his team. Defenses are keying so much on Bush, they are leaving the field open for Horn, the Running game, and Drew Brees.

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    btw, neither are good QBs.
    mike vick is not that bad

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    Bush is averaging 98 all purpose yards a game through four games. What was Dayne averaging through four?

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    did i say he would be a bust? no i did not. do i think he will be a bust...yes, but i thought that long before he even played a down in the NFL.

    ...and just for the record, if he is going to make it in the NFL, he needs to start getting rid of the ball on bad plays, throw more accurately, and stop thinking he can run anytime there is a bit of green in front of him.
    i agree on those areas for improvement (except the running part. he didnt try to run much at all Sunday, unless a running play was called for him, which i think is dumb. he should only run when a play breaks down, cuz thats when he is at his best.) however, pretty much all Rookie QBs, need to work on accuracy and smarts. VY is not any different in that regards. he made some rookie mistakes, which is perfectly fine, since he is a rookie. but he also did some very nice things out there. he ran the 2 minute drill pretty well at the end of the first half, but his stupid team kept taking forever to get to the huddle. he also showed some nice accuracy and touch on many passes, and looked very comfortable, even under the blitz, until the crappy line really started to break down, and he was constantly under lots of pressure.

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    vick is a joke and kordell sucked. and vyoung won't even be as good as vick.
    Vick wins games. whats the most important thing for a QB to do for his team? lead them to victory. and through injury, he has proved that without him, his team cannot win. passing stats mean nothing. wins are all that truly matters. and he finds a way to lead his team to victory, and doesnt even have a DECENT recieving crew, except for Crumpler, who is a TE.

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    Vick wins games. whats the most important thing for a QB to do for his team? lead them to victory. and through injury, he has proved that without him, his team cannot win. passing stats mean nothing. wins are all that truly matters. and he finds a way to lead his team to victory, and doesnt even have a DECENT recieving crew, except for Crumpler, who is a TE.
    wrong. the falcons win games. and in big games (all that matters) vick loses games. look at his playoff record/performances...then we can talk. not convinced? go talk to Ron Jaworski.

    btw, matt schaub is better than vick.

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    wrong. the falcons win games. and in big games (all that matters) vick loses games. look at his playoff record/performances...then we can talk. not convinced? go talk to Ron Jaworski.

    btw, matt schaub is better than vick.
    Without Vick, the Falcons dont win games. Without him, they are a very poor team. they proved that in the year that he broke his leg. and he has had some very impressive playoff performances. he led his team to a very convincing win over the Packers in Lambeau Field... something NO team had done before in the playoffs. he completely dismantled the Rams 2 years ago as well. he lost in his two games against the Eagles, but thats cuz the eagles were clearly a far better team and better coached.

    oh, and if Schaub is better than Vick, he would be starting, dumb .

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    JGW is seriously arguing that the falcons don't win because of Michael Vick. This JGW character is obviously 12 years old guys, stop arguing with him, he's a ing joke. Being an ignorant asshole is one thing, in fact its needed on message boards, but he is more biased than I am towards my longhorns and well his posts just suck.

    I even admitted than VY got chodebloaded in that game. This jerk off is trying to tell us that the rookie compared to barry sanders is meeting those expectations. Give me a break. I see them hand it off to him and I see reggie dancing trying to run east-west and getting stuffed for losses. Right now the greatest thing he does for his team is in misdirection plays and fakes. But defenses will adjust soon enough if he keeps running the ball like crap.

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    Vick is a horrible QB. No pocket awareness, no touch, inaccurate, terrible footwork, etc. They win because his speed is a dimension that 95% of the Ds in the league don't have the talent to stop. When that dimension is taken away(deep in the playoffs), he struggles mightily.

    And when he broke his leg, they had Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner backing him up. Not exactly NFL caliber QBs.

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    wrong. the falcons win games. and in big games (all that matters) vick loses games. look at his playoff record/performances...then we can talk. not convinced? go talk to Ron Jaworski.

    btw, matt schaub is better than vick.
    jaworski was on PTI earlier reiterating his take that v young will be a very solid NFL qb, but that it is way too early to throw dude in this year. your throwawa schaub take was hilarious though.

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    Vick is a horrible QB. No pocket awareness, no touch, inaccurate, terrible footwork, etc. They win because his speed is a dimension that 95% of the Ds in the league don't have the talent to stop. When that dimension is taken away(deep in the playoffs), he struggles mightily.

    And when he broke his leg, they had Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner backing him up. Not exactly NFL caliber QBs.

    thank you.

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    jaworski was on PTI earlier reiterating his take that v young will be a very solid NFL qb, but that it is way too early to throw dude in this year.

    EXACTLY!
    Many of those bashing VY actually thought at one time that Reggie McNeal was a better pro prospect @ QB.

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    Well, VY has his 1st of many to come career rushing TDs.

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    Amazing how a talented rookie QB can look pretty good against defenses that aren't top 4 in the league. Leinart still looked like against a Falcons D that is pretty average - I mean they got shredded by NO. VY will be very good after getting a good year to year and a half of consecutive starts. Every rookie QB on a bad team looks like for a while - Palmer, Manning twins, Aikman, etc... it takes time to learn and get a team around you.

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    Amazing how a talented rookie QB can look pretty good against defenses that aren't top 4 in the league. Leinart still looked like against a Falcons D that is pretty average - I mean they got shredded by NO. VY will be very good after getting a good year to year and a half of consecutive starts. Every rookie QB on a bad team looks like for a while - Palmer, Manning twins, Aikman, etc... it takes time to learn and get a team around you.
    Leinart did not look like , his team did. you have to give him time. the INT was tipped and he got hit on the snap. in his FIRST game he has two TDs in the first quarter.

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    Leinart is playing very well in this game so far. Props to him and his O Line for keeping him clean early in the game.

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    Leinart is playing very well in this game so far. Props to him and his O Line for keeping him clean early in the game.
    ..he has a much quicker release than Warner...its not even close.

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    when are the ans going to move vince young to receiver?

    Uhhhh, my guess is NEVER.

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    did i say he would be a bust? no i did not. do i think he will be a bust...yes, but i thought that long before he even played a down in the NFL.


    ...and just for the record, if he is going to make it in the NFL, he needs to start getting rid of the ball on bad plays, throw more accurately, and stop thinking he can run anytime there is a bit of green in front of him.
    Well, looks like VY can
    1) win games
    2) win O-ROY
    3) make fools of experts.

  24. #124
    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    And Vick still sucks.

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    Can u imagine all the Reggie groupies that are tin' and fuming right now?

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