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how much of free capspace ur talkn about if the all the options didnt pickup?
2008?
I've been looking at all the available FA's this summer and teams with little or no cap space...
The Spurs will make a move this offseason to get a talented SF either via trade, draft day trade, or attempting to sign one outright in a year there will be limited $$$ for FA.
Pop and Holt will out manuever everyone.
I still say that Barry has a team option on the final year of his contract. I'm not sure about Horry...but they also hold a team option on Bowen, and Finley and Oberto have player options they are likely to opt out of. You are talking substantial cap space.
Spurs are going to wind up with lots of options this offseason and TimVP and MB will be exposed as haters without a cause lamely trying to get mileage out of old GhostWriter takes.
In short...PWNAGE.
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how much of free capspace ur talkn about if the all the options didnt pickup?
They don't have an option on Barry. I doubt Finley opts out, and why the would Oberto opt out of $2.5 million guaranteed? There's no way in his play has justified any better payday anywhere else. Rob probably retires, and the Spurs would be nuts to let Bruce walk.
Duncan + Parker + Ginobili + Barry + Elson + Butler + Udrih already costs us $51.25 million.
Add in Oberto's $2.5 million and you're looking at $53.75 million, assuming Rob retires, and Finley opts out.
The salary cap is $53.135 million right now.
More likely plan:
Rob retires, Bruce's option is picked up, Oberto doesn't exercise his option, Fin doesn't exercise his $3.1 million option, Scola is left in Europe, the Spurs payroll is $60 million, Bonner walks, the Spurs re-sign Vaughn or find a point guard project, and draft a Euro.
Last edited by baseline bum; 03-02-2007 at 01:47 PM.
Finley signed for 2 years in the summer of '05. I'm pretty sure that his contract will expire without any options this summer.
So you are saying the Spurs will sign a significant player this summer and blow their 2008 capspace?
So what will happen in 2008? The Spurs will have Tim, Manu, Tony and player X and then just fill the roster with minimum contracts?
Bowen and Horry's final years are partially guaranteed. Oberto and Finley have player options.
I don't think there's any option on Barry.
He signed for 3 years and has a player option this summer.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm
http://www.storytellerscontracts.inf...07salaries.htm
Baseline...I generally have tremendous respect for you on the subject of cap and FA...however...you got ownt in 03 along with the rest of us on Danny Ferry's contract. I am certain I remember Barry's contract being a team option in the 4th year...I could be wrong, but so could hoopshype.
I don't. He can make more money, without having to play so much freaking D.I doubt Finley opts out,
False...Jerry West likes him. And he might opt out for more PT instead of riding the IR and thus ending his career...Oberto can opt out to sign a multi year deal.and why the would Oberto opt out of $2.5 million guaranteed? There's no way in his play has justified any better payday anywhere else.
Teams were interested in Rasho and Nazr too.
Hmmm...Pop was about to let David Robinson walk. And I'm not sure of the rules but if they can opt out and resign Bruce for less+ additional years, Bruce has proven he is willing to do this in the past.and the Spurs would be nuts to let Bruce walk.
At the least Barry's deal is going to be in the final year, thus making him a valuable player and trade piece in a S&T.Duncan + Parker + Ginobili + Barry + Elson + Butler + Udrih already costs us $51.9 million.
Add in Oberto's $2.5 million and you're looking at $54.4 million, assuming Rob retires, and Finley opts out.
The salary cap is $53.135 million right now.
Say I'm right...how far will they be under the cap? If they can get more than the MLE under they cap that will put them in better position that most of the teams this offseason...with quite a few swings available.
Where's Finley going to get more money after the horrible season he's having?
Yeah...basically like they already do, more or less.
They'll have slots for signing draftpicks, the LLE...
Are you saying the Spurs also have a team option Horry?Bowen and Horry's final years are partially guaranteed. Oberto and Finley have player options.
Even better...
We'll see...it fits with the Spurs MO to have a team option on that final year of a 30 something player.I don't think there's any option on Barry.
Bottom line is that if I am right the Spurs will be in a better position this summer than next to aquire the elusive talented SF...in a position to do it more cheaply as well.
4 draft picks.
Tradeable overseas commodities.
Multiple expiring contracts with skilled proven veterans.
Limited capspace available to most teams.
Lots of swings available.
Finley is a player that commands respect and has a lot to offer to a young team in need of leadership and experience...he was signed on the cheap by the Spurs.
Keep in mind, he's been banking courtesy of Mark Cuban as well...I doubt money is his primary consideration.
I don't think it's actually an option. But I believe that they could waive him and only pay about 1/2 his salary.
I thought I had remembered that there was an option of some sort on him, but I can't find it anywhere. So I'm assuming at this point that there's not.
Sort of off topic, do you think they are re-signing Bonner this summer? It seems like by what Pop/PJ have said lately, they are. How much do you think he gets?
Unless Bruce is the hoops equivalent of Nolan Ryan, this summer is exactly the right time to dump him. He's just at the point where you can tell he's lost a step, but he hasn't plunged off the precipice.
Even if somehow Oberto is still here...SA is going to start looking a whole lot like Team Argentina to Noccioni....
Ample S&T possiblities there with Chicago who has an abundance of what the Spurs lack(SF) and a need for what the Spurs have...young players with potential at the PF position.
I don't know...but I saw Pop reaming Bonner out bigtime in our last game.
Based on the PT he's getting...not much.
I like him...but let's face it, he's not the major need.
I too think that there isn't a 08 plan for a simple reason : Spurs have offered to Przybilla a 4 years contract last summer.
Spurs won't have capspace this summer but they will have tons of expirings to trade (around $20M).
Well I don't think he'd be a priority at all. But Pop and PJ have been saying stuff like he's going to be a Spur a long, long time, etc. The reason I'm mentioning it is because that signing will eat at least $2M a year.
Yeah Bonner is a definite consideration this offseason...but then why aren't they giving him meaningful PT?
Pop also said Rasho was the key to our D...
He called Barry the smartest offensive player on the team.
He went to bat to get Horry resigned then benched him.
The ways of Pop are a mystery to all...
But to me it seems like the Spurs are set up to do something this offseason...not next...
And if you look at what they did last season they were extremely clever about capitalizing on the cap/roster woes of other teams...
They signed a Knicks RFA...that's unheard of.
I'd say their manuevering last offseason shows the roadmap for what they intend to do this offseason....Take advantage of teams in a financial/roster slot bind.
Hard limits on the roster slots are the new weapon in the small market arsenal for enterprising teams.
Two RFA's signed for a single MLE. Extremely well done and clever, regardless of how well the players are playing currently.
It's a new page to the Spurs playbook...a playbook that rests primarily in the hands of RC and Pop. And I predict MB and TimVP are going to get exposed for having a 2001 outlook in 2007. And somewhere GW will no longer be smiling.
Not unless you're pretty confident of getting Gerald Wallace or Nocioni with the MLE, because that's about how much they'll have in capspace should they cut Bruce. I'm not saying sign him to an extension, but you can't just ditch your only SF when you don't have a single person who could play the position if you don't land Wallace or Nocioni (which is highly unlikely if you're only throwing MLE deals at them).
Devin Brown might be a possibility, but I'm sure this has been discussed from every aspect.
devin brown has about as much chance at making the time as jeffdrum21
I´ve heard he´s got one more year left in his contract.
Devin Brown will not a be Spur again - Gregg Poppovich from the Pop Show 2006.
Linton Johnson is out there with vastly improved game...
Deshawn Stephenson(Bruce replacement if nothing else).
Go check out the full 07 FA list....it's loaded.
I'll play along.I still say that Barry has a team option on the final year of his contract. I'm not sure about Horry...but they also hold a team option on Bowen, and Finley and Oberto have player options they are likely to opt out of. You are talking substantial cap space.
How much space?
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