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What a ty outlook. All of these players blow chunks.
Tall talk from someone who wanted us to spend the whole MLE on Roberto Javtokas. And I bet you haven't even seen Ian play, either
I got it now. Aggie Hoopsfan wants to give Ian Mahinmi the entire MLE. Spurs made a mistake drafting him late first round.
That, and trading for Corey Maggette so he can start at point guard.
Keep 'em coming!
What a ty outlook. All of these players blow chunks.
Who could we have gotten instead of these non-performers?
At the very least, these draft picks have some trade value, right?
Seems like a lotta picks and a whole lotta nothin' to show for it.
How do most of you guys see players like Mahinmi play? Can you view the games online or something?
Some of the posters here aren't from the U.S.
Several Euroleague games are on TV throughout the season (though they are delayed about a week). Also some of them are broadcast online.
Over the past five years or so, we see how that decision has turned out. Personally, I think the Spurs have "overvalued" the international market much to the detriment of the American talent pool.
I'm not even talking about drafting high-schoolers. It still irks the out of me that they could pass on solid college players like Josh Howard, David Lee, and Paul Milsap in favor of some international "spare-come-lately".
Other teams have had no problem finding American talent in the later rounds. The Spurs are seemingly "too cheap" to take the risk.
Since Parker and Ginobili, they've got basically nothing tangible to show for their international draft efforts.
They simply need to balance out their draft selections by mining both the American and international player fronts. They should stop dedicating the majority their time, effort and scouting in the foreign market. Mix it up a bit.
I think they realize that and that's why they have a director of collegiate scouting (I don't know if that's his exact le) now.
Does that mean they've not had one before now?
BTW, trying to glean three players (Ginobili, Scola and Oberto) from the same international Olympic team? Lightening may strike once, but three times? That's definitely going to the well thrice too often.
yeah, I think they were a little shortsighted with the international / veteran gleam. But can you blame them after Gino and Tony? Luckily they've learned and are tapping the domestic prospects again.
I do not believe that have had someone that has concentrated ONLY on college scouting before (but I'm not positive).
I'm really disappointed in what I read about Mahinmi and Javtokas. VERY disappointed. Yes, Mahinmi is young, but damn!
Looks like Scola is the guy to try to bring over, again, next summer.
You have to take into account that in Europe is not as common to grab man y boards, top-notch centers rarely get more than 6 or 7 at best rpg in strong teams.
The game in Europe is very collective, and zone defenses helps that a lot. With zones, no matter how good you are, the D can close you and the team must share the numbers with the rest of the teammates, and when the perimeter is not working, even the most dominant inside players can bring les to a team. Even such a dominant player like Tim Duncan lived that in FIBA compe ions.
Apart from that Scola is playing reduced minutes due that he's recovering from a plantar fascitis (las game he played only 19 mins) and that his team is so strong, that the teams can have him less minutes and still beat their oponents.
Knowing that, Scola's numbers are impressive, he goes above 20 of avg Efficiency for every season he competes, he uses to be above 6 rpg or even 7 rpg (rebounds number more for a center than a PF in Europe), an the less zone deffense would in NBA would not hurt him at all, IMO. At least regarding that, he'll be better in NBA than in Euroleague.
Thatīs exacly what I was trying to explain guys like ChumpDumper or TIMVP,about the FIBA rules(wich I played under in Argentina)and nobody seems to take that in consideration.I did predict that Scola can be a better scorer/rebounder in NBA tham what he already is in Europe right now,because of the one-on-one NBA D.and Diferents rules that change from FIBA to NBA.
Thatīs why most former FIBA players are more team oriented players.
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 03-03-2007 at 03:56 PM.
Thatīs a good point,since every time Tim goes to the bench the spurs suck lately,we canīt even hold on to a 15 pts. lead when Timmy is on the bench.So if He can play 15 mins in his roockie year,being Timīs backup,itīll help the team on the paint when Duncan is getting some rest.
IF scola would come off the bench with manu that might be a good combo
but scola is going to be limited to 15 minutes most nights so spurs better not pay him 40 minute night salary
The future will shine for SAS, as long as they keep the ability to find good players around the globe; I'd love to see Scola in SAS' uniform
what would you reather have in your team,a guy like Ely who gets 3.3 M p/year and doesnīt play,or a guy who can play 15 mins p/game in his roockie year and can put up 10 pts 5 board p/game for the same money?
All the FIBA thing is quite BS : Scola won't turn into a great rebounder because he plays in NBA. He won't too turn into a liabilty.
Players average about the same number of rebounds/min in europe and in nba : players who have played in both systems haven't seen their numbers really raise or decrease. if there is a difference, it's not a significant one.
To me, I split bigmen into 3 categories :
- 1 rebound per 5 min : bad rebounders. (players like Rasho)
- 1 rebound per 4 min : average rebounders. (players like Oberto, Elson)
- 1 rebound per 3 min : good rebounders. (players like Duncan)
Scola is a 1 rebound per 4 min player in europe, I see no reason for him not to be this kind of players in nba.
sorry that I'm a bit of a smart-ass, but from where do you get this "at least 6-10" myth?
Mahinmi is at least a legit 6'10".
maybe he seems taller, because Pau is a very small team, only their young center Ajinca is taller than 6-9 and he doesn't play anyhow.
most sites list Ian at 6-9. (I know that NBA teams add sometimes 2 inches to the players mesurments)
just check by yourself.
Vathy (plyer no.16) is listed 2.05 (6-9)
Rupert (no.12) is listed 6-7
Harrison (no.5) is listed 6-4
Even if he averages the same boards tham this year(6.9) in the NBA next year ,He will be better tham Elson or Oberto(5.2/4.9)who are Centers in the NBA.+Heīll be more of scorer tham what Elson or Oberto are,and he is a PF not a Center.
It's not like Ludden has said in his articles that Mahinmi was 6'10" (he even said that he was 6'11" in one of them).
It's not like Mahinmi has said that he was 6'10" more than one year ago.
Mahinmi was maybe 6'9" few years ago but he has grown since that and sites don't update heights/weights (just look at some weights on nba/com, it's quite funny) .
Your picture prove nothing. It's impossible to say if a player is 6'9", 6'10" or 6'11" on a picture.
Just look at this picture : http://www.elan-bearnais.fr/equipe/2...istjohnsen.jpg
Mahinmi seems bigger than Johnsen (the guy in the middle). Johnsen pre-draft camp mesurement are 6'10" without shoes and 6'10.75" with shoes.
You can't use rebounding numbers without lookint at the playtime.
Scola should be the same kind of rebounders in nba than Oberto/Elson.
But you canīt have the NEXT DUNCAN for 3M p/year.
If thats the case lets bring D.Howard,but thatīs gonna cost really Big bucks.
I never said He is gonna be a great rebounder,but He can be a 6 to 7 boards p/game PF,with some decent scoring average.
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 03-03-2007 at 03:58 PM.
a typical frontal team picture, where all players stand still in the same position, is usually a good way to compare the size of the players.
in your picture Ian is in front of Johnson.
and btw. you did realize that -other than Ian -Johnson is in street cloths. so he likely is wearing flat shoes and Ian wears basketball sneakers. the typical sneakers sole is 1 inch thicker than the sole of a flat street shoe.
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