Reply With QuoteYou got hope, sucker!
At least one Rupert Murdoch paper says, maybe....
YahooThe hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."
The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated with political "dirty tricks."
Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.
I told ya it would come full circle back to Rove.
You got hope, sucker!
DisinfopediaRoger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the chairman of the Fort Hill Group, a Washington, D.C.-based public affairs firm.
Stone was also a strategist for the 1981 and 1985 campaigns for governor of New Jersey by Thomas H. Kean, who was later appointed by President Bush to chair the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission). <1>
During the 2004 presidential primary, Stone served as a behind-the-scenes consultant to black firebrand Al Sharpton's campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination, prompting speculation that Sharpton's campaign was actually a stealth operation to weaken the party's chances of winning in the general election. Writing in the Village Voice, Wayne Barrett noted that Stone was "financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton. ... Sharpton has a little- noticed history of Republican machinations inconsistent with his fiery rhetoric. ... ny Sharpton- connected outrage against the party could either lower black turnout in several key close states, or move votes to Bush." <2>
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This guy is really shady...
Berkeley Daily Planetexcerpt:
Stone’s history as a Republican operative goes back to the Nixon era, when as a teenager he infiltrated the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern on behalf of the Committee to Re-Elect the President, according to the Jan. 25 edition of the New York Times.
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I'm sorry, I missed the link between this Stone guy and the Rather scandal.
Didn't Gunga Dan already say he got the memos from Bill Burkett in exchange for Mary Mapes hooking Burkett up with the Kerry Campaign?
Didn't Burkett already say he got the memos from some chick?
Again, where's the connection?
You sure don't hold the same standard of proof for your wild theories as you do for allegations of wrongdoing on the part of Demoncrats, do you?
danny boy is so desperate he's quoting the NY Post now. As for paranoia, well that's a given.
Well, here we go...
Famous TexansCareer: In the years of the Watergage scandal, Karl Rove's career as a big-time political handler began with a motley crew of friends and associates. He was chairman of the College Republicans when George Herbert Walker Bush was chairman of the state Republican Party in 1973. He won the presidency of the College Republicans in a race against Terry Dolan.
The late Lee A er, who later became famous as the political attack dog for the Reagan-Bush team, managed Rove's campaign. Dolan went on to become a Soft Money pioneer by helping form the National Conservative Political Action Committee, then died of AIDS in 1986 at age 36. Dolan's advisers in his loss to Rove were Charlie Black, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. Those three were later instrumental in the success of Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign.
Again, I see no mention of memos, CBS, Dan Rather, Air National Guard, or forgeries...
Oh good, a "rumor" starts in "New York political circles" that just happens to link Rove with someone.
If Burkett obtained those memos from a GOP operative don't you think he would have mentioned that by now? Ditto for Rather and Mapes.
Try again.
Nbadanallah is playing the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon," game.
I bet we could tie Bill Clinton to Karl Rove!
Also, said "rumor" does nothing to address the Rather blatant partisanship on the part of CBS as well as the contacts between the Kerry campaign, the DNC, and CBS.
This "rumor" is just a simple diversionary tactic to try to deflect the heat that is developing over the apparent coordination between the Kerry campaign, DNC, and CBS in attacking the president.
<< Not diverted. Neither is the general public.
I'm still watching for Dan Rather's head to explode on National T.V.
Oops. Guess I was wrong...
www.crankyneocon.com/cran...maste.html
Karl Rove, Mastermind
"I just can't contain myself any longer!" crowed Rove during a routine White House press briefing. "It's like shooting fish in a barrel. I am un-f***ing stoppable!"
Rove revealed that he orchestrated the entire forged do ent scandal including duping CBS' Dan Rather into doing a segment on Bush's National Guard service.
"If they weren't so damned predictable, this might actually be work," said Rove, laughing.
"I mean, think about it," Rove continued, "for eight months they are throwing [Michael] Moore, Kennedy and anyone else who'll say on camera that Bush is a no good Nazi.
"We come in with the Swifties - Pow! right where it hurts - they've gotta come back with George's Guard service. Bam! stepped right into that one! Kerry calls Barnes. Barnes calls Rather. Any idiot could see that one coming a mile away."
Asked why he is revealing what may be the crowning achievement in his long and successful career as a campaign strategist, Rove replied "because it gets a bit tiring seeing McAuliffe look like a smacked a$$ all the time."
Well I'll be.
I'm sorry to have doubted you Nbadanallah.
"because it gets a bit tiring seeing McAuliffe look like a smacked a$$ all the time."
...this ain't over yet.
What'd I tell'ya?"NEW YORK - CBS News faced new charges of journalistic impropriety on Tuesday, a day after the network said it regretted using questionable do ents in a report challenging President Bush's military service. At issue was a report in USA Today that the source of the do ents gave them to CBS only after the network agreed to arrange a conversation between the source and the presidential campaign of Bush's opponent, Democratic Sen. John Kerry."
No matter where the do ents came from CBS allowed itself to be taken by them. All they had to do was do their ing job instead of letting their bias get in their way and there wouldn't have been a problem.
Now as to the do ents themselves. What is more likely, that a crackpot with a history of hatred for Bush thought he could create some fake memos or that someone with the GOP thought they could create do ents on MS Word that would fool CBS News? If you are going to create a do ent from the 1970s isn't the first thing that crosses your mind is that you better get a typewriter? Perhaps, unless you are Bill Burkett.
Don't forget, if the Karl had a hand in this, he had to convince Bill Burkett (someone probably not on the White House Christmas card list) to take the fall.
How likely is that?
The growing su ion is that these do ents were not created to fool Dan Rather and CBS, but to try and entrap the Kerry campaign into colluding with Burkett using the fake do ents as bait. Of course, the only way to prove this is to get Stone or someone else who may have had knowledge of the conspiracy to talk.Now as to the do ents themselves. What is more likely, that a crackpot with a history of hatred for Bush thought he could create some fake memos or that someone with the GOP thought they could create do ents on MS Word that would fool CBS News? If you are going to create a do ent from the 1970s isn't the first thing that crosses your mind is that you better get a typewriter? Perhaps, unless you are Bill Burkett.
The whole DNC-Burkett scenarios being repeated religiously on right-wing radio and Fox News is a last ditch effort to try and turn investigators and the press in the wrong direction as the heat closes in on the real perpetrators of this scam.
Now that's a convoluted scenario and it's the nonsense being spewed by Lockhart and McAuliffe to cover their own asses right now.
Here we have Lockhart and Cleland, both a part of the Kerry campaign, in contact with Burkett.
www.nytimes.com/2004/09/2...guard.html
We also have Rather saying he got the do ents from Burkett.Mr. McCurry said that Mr. Lockhart had approached Mary Beth Cahill, Mr. Kerry's campaign manager, in the last few days to tell her that he had had a brief telephone conversation with Mr. Burkett. Ms. Cahill, he said, told Mr. Kerry, who did not think anything needed to be done in response.
Mr. McCurry said that he believed that the only other contact was a telephone conversation between Mr. Burkett and former Senator Max Cleland of Georgia, a prominent Kerry supporter among veterans.
I mean at least try not to look stupid and desperate sometime.
Two words for Dan...
Occam's Razor
Why is it that I hear a voice-over from Jon Lovitz saying "it could happen.." after every post from Dan? :wacko
If that's the case, Nbadanallah, then the Kerry Campaign should have had the ethical for ude of the Gore Campaign and distanced themselves from the whole mess."The growing su ion is that these do ents were not created to fool Dan Rather and CBS, but to try and entrap the Kerry campaign into colluding with Burkett using the fake do ents as bait. Of course, the only way to prove this is to get Stone or someone else who may have had knowledge of the conspiracy to talk."
"The whole DNC-Burkett scenarios being repeated religiously on right-wing radio and Fox News is a last ditch effort to try and turn investigators and the press in the wrong direction as the heat closes in on the real perpetrators of this scam."
Why did Joe Lockhart call Bill Burkett at the request of CBS Producer Mary Mapes?
Why would self-proclaimed "do ent expert" Bill Burkett fall for the forgeries?
Why are CBS and Burkett so reluctant to talk about where the memos actually came from?
You're as full of as Rather.
Yeah no kidding. All that Rather and Mapes would have had to do is their job and they wouldn't have found themselves in this mess.
Why is it that I hear a voice-over from Jon Lovitz saying "it could happen.." after every post from Dan?
I love that character.
Or, "yeah....that's the ticket!"
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