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Food and Sex have abuse potential too...does that mean we should outlaw it?
first of all i never said weed didnt have its place in treatment. what i said was that inhaling smoke, of any kind, is bad for you.
cannabinoids are chemicals that have many theraputic effects. thats why they are designing drugs based off of THC, and they already have several.
well then you have a valid complaint. like i said, many drugs have dangerous SE, and they are not intended for everyone, SSRIs, MAOIs and Tricyclics included. But the difference is that in theory they are tightly regulated through prescription.I am not arguing against people using those drugs...I am agruing against people not being able to use less harmful alternatives legally...
IMO weed, THC agonists, cannabinoids, should be treated the same. I dont even mind its legalization. But it should be controlled against abuse. Because whether you want to admit it or not, it does have negatives (pulmonary disease, memory deficits, weight gain, metabolic change, infertility, paranoia, physical impairment) when abused, just like every other drug.
people dont always know whats good for them. they may think they are depressed, so they pop a pill, or smoke a joint to take away the problem. But they aren't really treating the root. Real depression is a physiochemical imbalance of neurotransmitters and smoking may or may not help. SSRIs may or may not help. NO drug may help, and/or no drugs may be needed. Each person is different and it is a series of trials and errors to find effective therapy.
Food and Sex have abuse potential too...does that mean we should outlaw it?
stop being an idiot
Congrats...you just described a Bacon and Cheese Whataburger...and old age.
Depends on the weed...and it would help if you didn't feel like you were engaging in criminal activity. I mean...some of the paranois is legit...there are people out to get you when you smoke it.paranoia,
I'm ready to be hooked up with some weed that physically impairs me...hook a brother up?physical impairment) when abused, just like every other drug.
And neither does the Government....people dont always know whats good for them.
they may think they are depressed, so they pop a pill, or smoke a joint to take away the problem. But they aren't really treating the root. Real depression is a physiochemical imbalance of neurotransmitters and smoking may or may not help. SSRIs may or may not help. NO drug may help, and/or no drugs may be needed. Each person is different and it is a series of trials and errors to find effective therapy.
..damn, we sure were lucky to survive the millenia before the FDA was invented.
Former US Presidents that smoked weed:
George Washington , grew it and there is evidence that he prepared it for smoking.
And incidentally many other US presidents use to smoke Hemp.
Thomas Jefferson.
James Madison.
James Monroe.
Andrew Jackson,
Zachary Taylor.
Franklin Pierce.
Also see entries for Bill Clinton and George Bush.
And before you claim this some kind of propaganda...keep in mind that the stigmatization of Marijuana occurred in basically the 20th century...it wasn't considered any kind of a big deal...it was just a ing plant.
It wasn't made illegal until the 30's when it was lumped in with a mass banning of narcotics...and alcohol.
Incidentally...I once sampled George Washingon's personal recipe for Beer, the stuff he used to brew for his troops..., made Guiness Stout look like Miller Lite.
im not going to try to convince you otherwise or argue point for point. theres no way changing your mind.
Overindulging in anything, bacon whatacheese, sex, alcohol, tobacco, weed is bad.
there are somethings that should be regulated for everyone's good, and drugs, alcohol, etc are included.
You see...making it illegal doesn't prevent it from being abused...if anything, it makes people that use it less likely to seek help...it forces them to go underground....
And even worse, it creates a black market for it that is used to support people doing all sorts of bad things.
You want to kick the living out of the Mexican drug cartels?
Legalize Marijuana and the Coca Plant...both were used for millienia by humans...including our founding fathers. Keep in mind...they didn't use to be illegal.
All making these illegal does is put harmless people and kids in prison unjustly and demonizes a helpful plant, that has tremendous medicinal value.
This is America man....Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness...do you what you want as long as you aren't hurting anyone...
Don't ing tell me what I can do and what I can't do in my own home...if I want to grow some ing plants...I ought to be able to do it legally.
And there's no comparison between alcohol and MJ when it comes to being a dangerous recreational drug...
My bad...I realize now that you aren't an American.
This country was founded by people that didn't think anyone had the right to tell someone else what was good for them.
Well...I listed the side effects of prescribed medicines...all of which had side effects 10 times worse than the ones you listed for weed....I suggest you open your own mind before trying to open mine.
Naturally growing plants = illegal
Man made drugs, that cost $$$, often made from the alkaloids occurring in those same illegal plants = legal(if you pay).
Sorry but you are clueless...
never had it in tea, isn't t.h.c insoluble in water?
Ya, it's insoluble but you can still make Tea out of it by boiling it in water...it's mild, but again, the purpose here is to avoid lung cancer.
When I used to smoke I never liked the Brownies...too much of a good thing IMO.
And there's more than one way to make tea...you can make it with Milk.
Get a job hippies!!!
Pot brownies are something else entirely. Damn they are nothing like smoking.
Good job Whottt, now I want to try some pot tea.
Do whatever, it doesn't matter. Your money either goes into a drug war to keep the stuff out or into rehabilitation when it's legal. Might was well legalize it to end all the violence over the stuff, it's re ed how many people die on the border over smuggling plants.
I'm not really thrilled with either prospect. But there is
a good argument that drugs should be legalized, regulated
and taxed. We do with alcohol and tobacco. Even the
smokers seem resigned to the fact they are going to be
restricted on where they can use tobacco.
Although, we will have the problem of busy bodies, like
the tobacco police, who insist that regulation should be
so strict that it will cause a black market, like tobacco.
Drugs will cause social problems, but don't they do that
now? England for years has had a legal system where
heroin could be obtained legally through a doctor. But
it is not foul proof and they do have illegal drug problems.
The young will, of course, want to experiment with drugs
as they do with alcohol now. Some will become hooked
as they do now on alcohol and the really great sin
tobacco. How do you stop this. I have no idea. Many
parents don't want to take on the responsibility of raising
children now days. They want to be their buddies and
friends and not parents and disciplinarians. Strange
world we live in now days.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Damn, that's twice in the last two weeks I have agreed with you xray. How did that happen?
Good post.
I just thought of something...
Maybe the reason the cancer tumors slow down is becuase they are stoned. I bet they just want to sit on the couch and watch TV instead of working.
ggoose...I give you props for a nice argument...you were articulate and I'm sorry for being such a smartass(although to be fair, you got in the way of boutons who was the target of my original post).
I still don't agree that the govt should be telling people what they can and can't do as long as they aren't a danger to anyone. I do think weed is just about the mildest form of recreational drug...there is absolutely not a single thing that justifies alcohol being legal and weed being illegal.
And it is about $$$.
Random facts anyone?
Cannibis, while containing hundreds of carcinogenic chemicals, has not been proven to increase lung cancer or head and neck tumors. It is not proven to inhibit tumors either, though there is speculation and study in this area.
With all good things come bad. The main being reproductive health effects and affects on short term memory. The obvious effect on concentration creates the largest risk to others, especially when driving or taken with alchohol.
The only real argument left against cannibis is that it is a gate-way drug. But I don't buy it. A few weeks ago I was at a wedding and in the party atmosphere some girls in their teens got a hold of rum and coke drinks, they acted real quirky the rest of the night and begged their parents for more. You know, if you want to really stop problems, start with the real gateway drugs, tobacco and alchohol which are, gasp, illegal.
And learn to be a parent.
As long as alchohol, tobacco, and heck, cough syrup are legal and easily obtainable, there is no good argument against legalization. Heroin and manufactured drugs have a better case since they are so much more lethal and addictive, but that's another beast.
Ray...
I am not in favor legalizing all drugs...especially not the mad made ones. Those are some bad ones.
The funny thing is...the plants that can be used to make the most dangerous drugs? Are legal....
It's legal to grow poppy's.(Heroine, morphine, all the other narcotics etc.)
It's legal to grow the MaHuang(Ephedrine)...
ing belladonna is legal...this is pure poison. The guy that did the Manson family murders(Sharon Tate) was on Belladonna like the day before he commited the murders...
I mean this is the witch herb, and it's legal to grow....matter of fact, it grows wild. And it is probably the deadliest of them all. It's poison and not a true hallucinogen...
I mean those plants and drugs made from them, do have their uses, but they are extreme usees...and it's difficult and dangerous to make the stuff with them.
So while MJ, which has never caused a single fatal overdose in the history of the world, is illegal...
The plants that can make heroin and meth are...and those are the baaaaaaaaad drugs that should never be legal or avail to the general public.
You know why weed is illegal? Because it's easy to get the benefit from it.
Weed is like the best plant in the world...
It's a medicine.
It's food.
It's clothing.
You can make bio fuel from it.
Even the ing seeds are diet pills...good ones.
There's nothing you can't do with weed...it's mild, non addictive,
And contrary to all the bull over the last 70 years....it's walked hand in hand with man since the first day we were on this planet.
Ditto most of the natural mild hallucinogens(psilocyin and mesacline)...
The Coca plant is tricker...although it too is extremely useful and has been used by man forever...and CocaCola really was once made with pure coca leaves.
The reason I favor legalizing coca is...
1.It will literally break the back of the Latin American Drug Cartels...
2. If it's available in plant form, people will use that form instead of cocaine, and crack...the deadly forms.
3. Even if Coke is still made from it...at least the money will stay in the country instead of paying off some murdering drug lord in LA.
It's more dangerous...but it's still nowhere near as dangerous as the Poppy.
Anyway, that's my take...
Making weed illegal only attracts kids to it during their rebellious stage...and because it is stigmatized, it must be used in silence which cuts of dialogue for people when they have moved on to harder drugs and need help.
These plants are no different than a car...they can be helpful, but they can also get you and others killed if not used with care.
Anyway...to any Christian I say...God put those plants here, long before America was here...and they are spiritual plants.
I dunno about cocaine, that crap is banned in nearly every nation on this planet for a reason, but you have a point that the cartels biggest money maker by far is smuggled coke to the U.S.. 7% of people that try coke once become addicted within 10 years, which is pretty crazy, and that's not even crack.
Problem with crack now is that it is so cheap on the street compared to meth, heroin, ect and it has such a strong effect.
Anyone know if any country legalizes it? I know a few legalize the coca plant but have real nasty punishments on processing it. The cost is death in the middle east.
I'm not in favor of legalizing cocaine...at least not beyond the use it's already allowed for.
I am in favor of legalizing the plant...because it will be an alternative to coke and crack. A much better one...
And by the way...crack was invented so poor people could afford to get addicted to cocaine...it's just poor man's coke, and much more deadly.
However...Crack and Coke still aren't as deadly as Heroin and Meth.
Coke is about even with alcohol in my book...Or should I say...alcohol is as bad as coke in my book....and a person on alcohol is more dangerous to others than a person on coke.
The coca plant has a lot of uses...and it's not that easy to make coke from it.
And it would be nice to put those cartels out of business...or at least keep the money in country in a less violent black market.
We and Mexico need to stop feeding each others black markets...
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