Reply With Quote
..........He´ll only average 15/16 ppg. in about 25 mpg...............Put Barbosa in POP's hands and ...
kudos and props to barbosa, that kid has a very talented offensive game and deserves the award
..........He´ll only average 15/16 ppg. in about 25 mpg...............Put Barbosa in POP's hands and ...
I agree with timvp but I think the USA press only look at the PPG to give the awards
found on http://www.nba.com/suns/news/azcentral_030630.htmlWhy hasn't anyone mentioned who we traded Barbosa for?
(BTW, which trade was that? I've been googling "barbosa draft trade" but the entry on the Suns' website that will answer my question isn't working!).
"They finally found a willing partner when they called San Antonio. The Spurs wanted nothing to do with a first-round pick and a guaranteed three-year contract. The have enough money under the cap to acquire two maximum players in this year's free agency period, and they didn't want a first-round pick interfering with that plan by taking up money on their cap. So when the Suns called, the Spurs were more then willing to accept the terms of the deal, which over a seven-year period guarantees them no better than the 21st overall pick in the draft.
"
Thank god the Spurs made that deal, otherwise we never would of got those 2 A-Grade Free Agents!The Spurs wanted nothing to do with a first-round pick and a guaranteed three-year contract. The have enough money under the cap to acquire two maximum players in this year's free agency period, and they didn't want a first-round pick interfering with that plan by taking up money on their cap.
I'm fine with Barbosa winning this. Very deserving. Manu certainly had a case, and I think David Lee would of been deserving as well, but his injury cost him.
I also thought the "fake sixth man" argument is BS. Manu came off the bench in more games than he started. Shame on you, Sir Charles, you blasphemer.
Meh, Manu will get it next year.
Congrats To Barbosa! He Deserved It!!
Manu was not more deserving that Barbosa. Fine, go ahead and give us per minute averages, which can't mean that much since we all know D'Antoni will play his guys more than he should, while Pop tends to underplay them. I know that sounds like an argument for you, but you have to look at it from the perspective of each player: Barbosa: "I can take a few possessions off because coach will leave me out here a little longer." Manu: "I really have to step it up and produce because Pop's gonna sit my ass down no matter how well I'm doing."
I said Barbosa should receive the award because he finally played great in a POINT-GUARD role in the 2nd half of the season... he was getting 6th-man consideration back in December when he was mostly playing great as a 2-guard. The Suns didn't just pick up Banks because they never thought Barbosa could play the point... he's only 24 years old, can sometimes suffer from confidence issues, and Nash only has a few more years like this in him, so they had to start doing something. I will reiterate: Barbosa proved that he can pick up the backup PG slack in the 2nd half of the season, which made him a more complete player... ironically, that makes him a more valuable 6th man, don't you think?
I think they made a mistake and were blinded by the 20+ point games Banks put up on the Suns last year and now they're gonna have to work on unloading him if possible. Besides, who knew Acie Law and Mike Conley were going to be such good players entering the draft this year?
Just like you made the point to say that the award wasn't won based on Sunday's performance... well, the backup PG spot wasn't lost just because they signed Banks in the offseason. The guy was money all-year long and is a game-changing player (much like Manu). However, you can point to some big games that Barbosa has turned around this year and won for the Suns and I have yet to see you make that argument for Ginobili (his 24-straight point game aside).
Number of press votes timvp has? Zero... and I think we all know why
So you are saying Barbosa deserves the award because he finally became the point guard the Suns drafted him to be in his fourth year in the league? I agree that Barbosa deserves props for making the transition, but that doesn't make him a better player than Manu.
Oh and if Barbosa was playing point like he is now last season, the Suns would never have signed Banks in the offseason.
And you must not have watched many Spurs games this year because Manu is almost always the team's go-to player late in the fourth quarter. Barbosa had some big shots this year, but Manu has the ball in his hands in almost every close game the last three seasons.
Nice guess on the number of press votes timvp has, especially considering timvp isn't in the press. Don't ever let them tell you Sun Fan isn't smart.
I noticed you didn't touch the subject of which of two is the better player or which of the two more coaches would want on their team.
That is great.
My wish:
Next year = better bench = Manu starter
He made a legitimate argument for Barbosa, how is that taking it personal?
Despite of all my love for Manu game, I think Barbosa deserved it and I´m even surprised with Manu at 2nd spot.
I really think that Manu shouldnt never be disputing the 6th man of the year award. That is ridiculous. Manu is a kind of player that should be fighting for the MVP award or an All Star spot, not the 6th POY.
OK, is he elegible to the award? That doesnt mean that he should get the votes. The objetcive rule just determine who is in or who is out from the election. After that, everybody is free to subjectively choise who was a true bench player or who is not.
Manu was elegible by just two games, what would make him a bizarre 6th man of the year who just played 39 games from the bench.
That said, Manu is likely the second best player in the roster and he´s 10x better than the starting guy at his spot. It´d make the choise even more bizarre...
About Barbosa, I´d not say that Nash is the single factor for his offensive game. Just remember that Barbosa made history when he scored 27 points in his first game as starter (as a rookie). That was just after the Marbury trade and while Nash was a Mavs player.
He also was a stud when teenager in the brazilian league before be drafted. In fact at 19 years old he was the scoring leader with 29 ppg when the second had barely had 20 ppg.
Plus, Phoenix Suns scored this season an average of 5 ppg more when Barbosa was on court.
..........He´ll only average 15/16 ppg. in about 25 mpg...............
Please elaborate, ArgSpursFan.
Is the
It is not the function of a coach's system to get more minutes, shots, and points for Barbosa, Manu, or any other player; a coach is charged with implementing a system that will lead to the most victories.
D'Antoni believes in outscoring opponents, Pop believes in limiting opponents, and their respective team's systems reflect this. Yes, Barbosa would likely have lesser statistics here, and Tony Parker would have likely greater numbers in a Phoenix system. I don't see how that would reflects poorly or well on D'Antoni or Pop.
another category that NBA does not take Defense into account
Why should It? the NBA 6th man is about impact and adding a spark. Offense makes more impact in these kind of awards.
Well, the Defensive Player of the Year doesn't take offense into account; therefore, it is worthless.
change the name of the award to "best 6th man on offense"
Jealous Jealous Jealous....
MVP - Nash (2005 & 2006)
Executive of the Year (B. Colangelo 2005)
Coach of the Year (D'Antoni 2005)
Sixth man of the Year (Barbosa 2007)
Most Improved Player (Diaw 2006)
Rooke of the Year (Stoudemire 2002)
not at all
NBA Champions (1999)
NBA Champions (2003)
NBA Champions (2005)
NBA Champions (2007)
[QUOTE=hater]not at all
NBA Champions (1999)
NBA Champions (2003)
NBA Champions (2005)
NBA Champions (2007)[/QUOTE]
Nope. Spurs are a "right time/right place" champion. They wait it out for "off years".
There are at least three teams better than them this year.
But don't worry...in 3 or 4 years, the league might go through a transition period and they could win another one.
NEVER compare resumes, son...
MVP - Robinson (1995), Duncan (2002, 2003)
Executive of the Year - Bass (1990)
Coach of the Year - Popovich (2003)
Most Improved Player - A. Robertson (1986)
Defensive Player of the Year - Robinson (1992)
IBM Award - Robinson (1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996), Duncan (2002)
Rookie of the Year - Robinson (1990), Duncan (1998)
Finals MVP (you know, the one you earn after winning the championship...oh, no you wouldn't know about that) - Duncan (1999, 2003, 2005)
better to be a right place champion than a loser, like the Sons have been. Herres to your 2nd round exit.Nope. Spurs are a "right time/right place" champion. They wait it out for "off years".
There are at least three teams better than them this year.
But don't worry...in 3 or 4 years, the league might go through a transition period and they could win another one.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
