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    isn't that a generalization?
    So now we have generalizations about people making generalizations.....

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    I think all reasonable people understand that referring to a class of people for generalization does not inclusively mean all of them. I do try to keep the proper qualifiers like saying "most." I do sometimes leave out such qualifiers, but that still doesn't necessarily mean "all" without using that qualifier.

    Unlike some other poster's here I try to not generalize myself because I hate it when people do it with 'liberals'. Anyway if I falter in being consistent i know someone here will remind me..

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    Yoni’s explaination of the Bill Mahr remarks and Coulter using similar language with Edwards is understandable, at least to most of us.

    Isaiah Washington’s incident was little known. Coulter simply brought to play what the PC police do to people. Her simile to the Mahr remark is intentional, showing how the liberal media let’s such a remark from a liberal go unchecked, but they are all over her!

    She invited this trouble. She lives for it. She is not making any stupid statement, and it keeps her in the public eye and selling books!

    Exactly. My problem is that if people know that she is merely making these statements to stay in the public eye and sell books, why are they rushing to her defense when she makes them? I doubt she even believes half the that comes out of her mouth (ditto Bill Maher), but people will light up talk radio trying to defend her. It's idiotic.

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    Bill Maher is not a liberal commentator. The guy is a comedian. He gets paid to say outrageous things that no one takes too seriously. Ann Coulter tries to pass herself off as a serious commentator. If she's looking at Bill Maher as the standard-bearer for what the media can and can't say, she's an idiot.
    Anybody who sees Ann Coulter as a seriuos political commentator is a serious idiot (and I do not doubt there are many serious idiots).

    Actually, she is closer to Maher than to a political commentator.

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    Why?

    You used an incident at a gas station to sterotype an entire race.
    a) I'm not running for office.

    b) You're an idiot if you think the gas station incident was even remotely the most important aspect of that thread.

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    Anybody who sees Ann Coulter as a seriuos political commentator is a serious idiot (and I do not doubt there are many serious idiots).

    Actually, she is closer to Maher than to a political commentator.
    That's why I used the term "tries." Fox News, however, does trot her out to speak on real political issues, as if she can contribute anything more than her tired "liberals are idiots" act.

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    Ann has only accused the edward's of using their child's death for political gain. For M-ann to have the balls to claim that soemone would use their child's death to further themselves is disgusting. I have a child and I cannot FATHOM the thought of losing him but to make a baseless claim about a parent who suffers this great loss is a soul not right with itself. She is a disgusting person, and pathetic excuse for a political commentator.
    This she has. Big and hairy . . .

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    I don't know that they did.
    Are you kidding? Everytime he's run for office, the death of his son has been brought up by his campaign as if he's relunctantly talking about a personal tragedy for the very first time.

    Yeah, it's sad they lost a child but, when your campaign brings it up...expect to get accused of using it for political purposes.

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    Please don't tell tell me that you think it's ok for her to make such disgusting remarks.
    Frankly, I pretty much think all of politics has become disgusting. What's your point?

    If the Edwards are going to make Wade's death a part of the campaign, they can expect to be accused of making Wade's death a part of the campaign.

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    Do you ever stop repeeating the GOP talking points? I guess Guliani can get away with charging 100,000.00 a speech without scrutiny because he isn't concerned with poor people? Oh wait he's a Republican different rules for them..
    The idiot claims to have taken a ing job at a hedge fund in order to learn about poverty issues.

    C'mon.

    Guiliani isn't the one preaching about "Two Americas" and pretending to be the poor man's friend while getting $400 haircuts, moving into isolated humongous estates, working for a hedge fund, and charging $50,000 to hear him talk about poverty.


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    I can live with specific people being called hypocrites but to throw around liberals in general is what I have a problem with.
    Name a liberal commentator that doesn't apply this double standard.

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    The idiot claims to have taken a ing job at a hedge fund in order to learn about poverty issues.

    C'mon.

    Guiliani isn't the one preaching about "Two Americas" and pretending to be the poor man's friend while getting $400 haircuts, moving into isolated humongous estates, working for a hedge fund, and charging $50,000 to hear him talk about poverty.

    Who did he charge $50,000 to speak about poverty?

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    The idiot claims to have taken a ing job at a hedge fund in order to learn about poverty issues.

    C'mon.

    Guiliani isn't the one preaching about "Two Americas" and pretending to be the poor man's friend while getting $400 haircuts, moving into isolated humongous estates, working for a hedge fund, and charging $50,000 to hear him talk about poverty.


    So should be paid for his job? Are you 'mr free market' criticizing someone for making a lot of money? building a big house? So he needs to become poor so he can talk about helping poor people? at least aknowledges that there are actually poor people in this country while the GOP wants to talk about more tax cuts for the top 2% and big corporations..

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    Who did he charge $50,000 to speak about poverty?

    welfare recpients

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    The idiot claims to have taken a ing job at a hedge fund in order to learn about poverty issues.

    C'mon.

    Guiliani isn't the one preaching about "Two Americas" and pretending to be the poor man's friend while getting $400 haircuts, moving into isolated humongous estates, working for a hedge fund, and charging $50,000 to hear him talk about poverty.

    No, Giuliani is claiming that out of all of the presidential candidates, he alone understood the gravity of the attacks on 9/11. Yet, he skipped out on his appointment to the 9/11 panel to give speeches at $100,000 a pop.

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    No, Giuliani is claiming that out of all of the presidential candidates, he alone understood the gravity of the attacks on 9/11. Yet, he skipped out on his appointment to the 9/11 panel to give speeches at $100,000 a pop.
    And yet, he can probably still make that claim and be correct.

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    And yet, he can probably still make that claim and be correct.

    Right. He's the only one who understands the gravity?

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    Right. He's the only one who understands the gravity?
    Well, okay, can we have the ing quote please?

    I understood Peabody's post to reflect Guiliani's belief he -- of all the presidential candidates -- best understood the gravity of 9/11.

    Now, that you're going to get in the weeds, can I please have the quote?

    This mischaracterization of on-the-record comments is getting ridiculous.

    Besides, what does his passing up on a seat on some panel have to do with anything? Could his experiences on 9/11 not be expressed to that panel through appearances? Maybe he's got better things to do than sit on some blue ribbon panel.

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    So should be paid for his job? Are you 'mr free market' criticizing someone for making a lot of money? building a big house? So he needs to become poor so he can talk about helping poor people? at least aknowledges that there are actually poor people in this country while the GOP wants to talk about more tax cuts for the top 2% and big corporations..
    If what yoni says, and that is a big if, about edwards is true, then Edwards is quiet the hypocrite.

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    Are you kidding? Everytime he's run for office, the death of his son has been brought up by his campaign as if he's relunctantly talking about a personal tragedy for the very first time.

    Yeah, it's sad they lost a child but, when your campaign brings it up...expect to get accused of using it for political purposes.
    could you link a transcript or video of a speech where Edwards talks about his child's death for political gain?

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    So should be paid for his job? Are you 'mr free market' criticizing someone for making a lot of money? building a big house? So he needs to become poor so he can talk about helping poor people? at least aknowledges that there are actually poor people in this country...
    I do acknowledge it. I am a poor person, by Democrat standards.

    ...while the GOP wants to talk about more tax cuts for the top 2% and big corporations..
    The Bush Tax Cuts are the one reason this country isn't in a bigger financial hole. Because of the tax cuts, federal revenues are up dramatically.

    I'll never understand why the left cannot separate taxing policy from spending policy.

    If you look at sheer numbers, federal revenue is up -- way up -- as a result of the tax cuts. It's the spending, Stupid!

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    could you link a transcript or video of a speech where Edwards talks about his child's death for political gain?
    Jeeze...do any of you actually follow politics?

    Here, a real quick example after just one google:

    From 2003 - during the Skerry-Edwards campaign...

    Edwards discusses impact of losing his son

    From this year, same media outlet -- notice how the headline implies this is something he's doing for the first time?

    John Edwards opens up about son he lost

    His dead son is a political asset in his mind.

    C'mon, the guy's a trial lawyer; surely you don't think he's above this kind of nonsense.

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    Wow, dude had a life experience and talks about it.

    The horror.

    I don't fault Nixon for talking about his mother or his family members who died from tuberculosis.

    Should we fault Rudy for talking about the people who died on 9/11?

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    Jeeze...do any of you actually follow politics?

    Here, a real quick example after just one google:

    From 2003 - during the Skerry-Edwards campaign...

    Edwards discusses impact of losing his son
    Wow, a story about the book he wrote in which he describes how his son's death affected his life. That bas !!! Yoni, try harder.

    From this year, same media outlet -- notice how the headline implies this is something he's doing for the first time?

    John Edwards opens up about son he lost

    His dead son is a political asset in his mind.

    C'mon, the guy's a trial lawyer; surely you don't think he's above this kind of nonsense.
    Edwards spoke very briefly about his son in reponse to being questioned as to whether he could balance his wife's sickness with running for president. His answer was pretty direct-yes, he's dealt with tragedy in the past.

    Neither of these stories sounds to me like he is using his son's death for political gain. Do you expect him to never write about it or speak about it? I would imagine it's something that has changed his life forever, and is probably on his mind every day.

    And I do give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this issue. The guy has already faced one tragedy I hope I never to face (the death of a child), and he's facing another tough challenge with his wife. I'm not the type to poke fun at that, but apparently you admire those that do.

    And as far as the headline bothering you, complain about the person who wrote the story.

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    Neither of these stories sounds to me like he is using his son's death for political gain.
    Of course not, they just happen to hit the presses in the run up to the election...

    And I do give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this issue. The guy has already faced one tragedy I hope I never to face (the death of a child), and he's facing another tough challenge with his wife.
    Maybe he needs to do what most people do in these situations, withdraw from the limelight to spend more time with their family. It's not like he's a serious contender for President anyway.

    And as far as the headline bothering you, complain about the person who wrote the story.
    Yeah, campaigns never feed articles to newspapers.

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