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    ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Three murder warrants were filed against alleged Atlanta, Georgia, courthouse killer Brian Nichols, Atlanta police chief Richard Pennington said Monday.

    "The district attorney and the U.S. attorney are meeting and working out the details and arrangements in terms of how he's going to be processed," Pennington said.

    Nichols, 33, is being held at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary three days after police said he shot and killed a judge, a deputy sheriff, a court reporter and later a federal agent.

    Saturday morning, Nichols surrendered to police at the suburban apartment of Ashley Smith. (Full story)

    Paul Howard, district attorney for Fulton County -- where the shootings occurred -- said "according to the officers that I talked to, he seemed to be rather defiant -- almost kind of proud of his activities."

    It's unknown whether Nichols will face federal charges in the killing of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent David Wilhelm.

    Pennington said the details haven't been finalized, but added that he's "sure that he's going to be arraigned in our state court."

    Nichols escaped from custody during his retrial on charges of rape and false imprisonment. On Monday, a Fulton County Superior Court judge declared a mistrial in the case, a spokesman for the district attorney's office said.

    Another judge was named Monday to take on duties for Fulton County Superior Court Judge Rowland W. Barnes, one of the four people Nichols is accused of killing.

    Charges related to Nichols' escape will result "in a very large indictment," Howard said.

    "We plan to charge him with the murders of the four Fulton County residents," Howard said. "We plan to charge him with a number of aggravated assaults, carjackings."

    Howard would not say whether prosecutors would seek the death penalty for Nichols.

    His answer to that question was, "My gut tells me that this is one of the most gut-wrenching crimes that has ever taken place in our country, and so maybe one can interpret from that."




    Also, looking for guidance on this touchy subject, I was surprised and maybe a little comforted with what I found from the Catholic Catechism:

    2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people's rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people's safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.67

    2267 Assuming that the guilty party's iden y and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/catech...s2c2a5.htm#III


    This to me is a cut and dry death penalty case. The catechism doesn't say Kill em all...but extreme cases.

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    strap him up, find a vein.

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    Need I remind you all that he has not been found guilty!
    Your eagerness to condemn him to death without due course is dangerous, scandalous.....outrageous!!

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Actually, while silently contemplating this case, I thought to myself how hard it is to fight against the death penalty when people commit acts like this.

    None the less, I still maintain it is a bad idea especially with a fallible system.

    I will say this, if this man is found guilty and put to death, I won't shed a single tear for him.

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    I hate to sound cold, but I've been wondering about this. Is it really worse for someone to kill in order to avoid imprisonment than to kill for sick pleasure? Not to diminish these horrible tragedies... I just don't see how it's any worse than any other multiple homicide, and thus grounds for an exception to one's opinion on the death penalty.

    I will say this, if this man is found guilty and put to death, I won't shed a single tear for him.
    I certainly agree with that.

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    Another question is this. Are we endangering other people's lives, those that will have to tend to this cold blooded killer in jail? , he was already in custody when he went on this rampage! Who's to say that he won't take more lives in prison?

    This is the condition where I think the Church is right in saying, ok we have 'iden y and responsibility' COMPLETELY nailed down. For his punishment and for the protection of others, he needs to meet his maker sooner than later.

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    Who are we to judge? Shouldn't we let "the maker" make that decision?

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    What's the Catholic Catechism? Chopped Liver?

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    I'm down with the Pope.

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    Even assuming the Catechism was handed down by God Himself, it's not grounds for Law.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    God is THE law.

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    God has determined that we will live under secular law.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Well, I find the Catecism irrelevent to the legal grounds for the death penalty but I can see where it would lead to one's personal beliefs about the act.

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    No doubt.

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    Your God, or mine?

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    I retract my statement about not shedding a tear. I've reconsidered my stance, and I think my previous one was incorrect.

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    I retract my statement about not shedding a tear. I've reconsidered my stance, and I think my previous one was incorrect.
    Which stance?


    I think this guy pretty much fits the mold for a candidate for the death penalty.
    It's a pretty open and shut case on atleast three of the murders. I don't know if they will use an insanity or other impairment defense though.

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    i don't think any defense should matter. regardless, he is a murderer. he killed a deputy with his bare hands... too bad he didn't put up a fight when the cops came to get him from that apartment.. then, they could've just killed him in a gunfight...no trial needed...

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    I retract my statement about not shedding a tear. I've reconsidered my stance, and I think my previous one was incorrect.
    Which stance?


    I think this guy pretty much fits the mold for a candidate for the death penalty.
    It's a pretty open and shut case on atleast three of the murders. I don't know if they will use an insanity or other impairment defense though.

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    so now you WILL shed a tear manny?

    you know there are many greys in life. very few, if any issues are black and white.
    ideology is fine, but you gotta know where to draw the line.....this ain't no perfect world we're living in.....

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    Sounds like some of you would be in favor of a hangin'.

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    i don't think any defense should matter. regardless, he is a murderer. he killed a deputy with his bare hands... too bad he didn't put up a fight when the cops came to get him from that apartment.. then, they could've just killed him in a gunfight...no trial needed...
    ALLEDGEDLY! ALLEDGEDLY!

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    ALLEDGEDLY! ALLEDGEDLY!
    allegedly... he did it...

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    Sounds like some of you would be in favor of a hangin'.
    are they holding a vote?

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    allegedly... he did it...
    You would not qualify as a potential juror.

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