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    Ok dude, do me a favor. Next semester, sign up for a class that requires you to read a piece and gather a meaning from it.
    i'll do that when you sign up for a spelling class..
    Don't try to argue my point for me if you cant get it right.

    You've missed the point of everything I've done in this thread, which is no suprise because you miss it all the damn time.

    I posted what the article and interview with Ashely Smith not because I wanted you to give Nichols compassion for sparing her life, but because I thought maybe you would find it amazing that she was able to show an incredible amount of compassion torwards him.

    If she was able to do that, then I find it within myself to do the same.

    When I posted that I had changed my mind about how I would feel if he was executed, people asked why. I provided them with the reasoning behind it.
    i never tried to argue any point for you. and do you think ashley smith would have given him compassion if he hadn't put a gun to her head?

    you still have failed to show any compassion for the victims...that is why i say you are warped...

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    They said the same about Jesus. I think that puts me in some good company.
    i have yet to see any pictures of Jesus shooting the finger... you are not in his company in any way, shape or form.

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    The problem with that line of reasoning is that this subject is not one that can always be supported by facts or figures. It involves a lot of gut feeling and opinion. I understand the ideals you expressed in here. But it's also my belief that this man's case is a prime example of why the death penalty exists.
    Oh it sure as better be when amoung the main arguments for the death penaty are:

    1. It is a deterent. If it is, proove it.
    2. To expensive. Prove it with figures
    3. There is no other way to keep safe. I can disproove that without any damn figures.


    Now, if you want to say you want the death penalty for vengence/justice purposes, that is something that is only opinion based. But that's not the sole arguement used for capital punishment.

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    i never tried to argue any point for you. and do you think ashley smith would have given him compassion if he hadn't put a gun to her head?
    YES

    So I went. ... "I said, can I take my cell phone?" He said, "Do you want to?" I said, "Yeah." I'm thinking, well, I might call the police then, and I might not. So I took it anyway. He didn't take any guns with him. The guns were laying around the house. Pretty much after he untied [me], they were just laying around the house.


    you still have failed to show any compassion for the victims...that is why i say you are warped...
    I've done nothing but show compassion for them from the moment I heard about it.

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    Oh it sure as better be when amoung the main arguments for the death penaty are:

    1. It is a deterent. If it is, proove it.
    2. To expensive. Prove it with figures
    3. There is no other way to keep safe. I can disproove that without any damn figures.


    Now, if you want to say you want the death penalty for vengence/justice purposes, that is something that is only opinion based. But that's not the sole arguement used for capital punishment.
    death was a deterent to that SOB Nichols from killing again.

    He asked me what I thought he should do.

    And I said, "I think you should turn yourself in. If you don't turn yourself in," this is what I said, "If you don't turn yourself in, lots more people are going to get hurt. And you're probably going to die."

    And he said, "I don't want that to happen."

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    i have yet to see any pictures of Jesus shooting the finger... you are not in his company in any way, shape or form.
    Father Paul would say you are wrong.

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    ok. fair enough. so my question to you is, where do you draw the line? or do you?
    I would like to think there is no line to be drawn. Everyone is en led to compassion.

    For a non christian, I put a lot of stock in the philosophy of Jesus, and he was willing to give everyone more than a fair shake. If everyone lived that way, we'd all be much better off.

    Now, I don't always live up to that, but I think it's important to try to.

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    death was a deterent to that SOB Nichols from killing again.
    Oh yeah, definetly.


    And at one point, he said, "You know, I'd rather you shoot -- the guns are laying in there -- I'd rather you shoot me than them." I said, "I don't want anyone else to die, not even you."


    Yeah, and the thought of the death penalty really stopped him from killing. I mean, if you discount the 4 murders that he had in one day.

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    Oh yeah, definetly.


    And at one point, he said, "You know, I'd rather you shoot -- the guns are laying in there -- I'd rather you shoot me than them." I said, "I don't want anyone else to die, not even you."
    okay, if you think he is such a stand up guy, then help him pay for a lawyer instead of some court appointed lawyer... are you willing to do that mr. compassionate?

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    #1 I don't think he's a stand up guy.


    You know, trying to talk something over with you is like trying to talk to a 2 year old. You can repeat yourself over and over again, and get no where.

    I think everyone else except you understands what I'm trying to say. Why is that?

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    so you would give equal compassion to a child rapist/murderer?

    would Jesus forgive this man? maybe. but this man only turned a new leaf when his picture was on every channel and the cops were in shoot to kill mode.

    why didn't he turn a new leaf after he was caught the first time?

    Jesus don't like people that turn to him on their death beds.
    He will say that he does not know you.

    and i don't find anything amazing about the ladies compassion. She was a smart religious woman in survival mode. She used Jesus, her daughter, and some pancakes to seal the deal. Her compassion ended when she was free didn't it? The guy asked for a couple days....why didn't she give those days to him, i wonder?

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    BTW, I think he already has a pretty decent lawyer who has taken his case Pro Bono.

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    so you would give equal compassion to a child rapist/murderer?

    would Jesus forgive this man? maybe. but this man only turned a new leaf when his picture was on every channel and the cops were in shoot to kill mode.

    why didn't he turn a new leaf after he was caught the first time?

    Jesus don't like people that turn to him on their death beds.
    He will say that he does not know you.

    and i don't find anything amazing about the ladies compassion. She was a smart religious woman in survival mode. She used Jesus, her daughter, and some pancakes to seal the deal. Her compassion ended when she was free didn't it? The guy asked for a couple days....why didn't she give those days to him, i wonder?
    Zak, the bottom line is if you don't feel you shoudl give this man any compassion, don't.

    And her compassion didn't end when she was free. She felt (and I think she was right) that turning him in was the best thing to do for him.

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    #1 I don't think he's a stand up guy.


    You know, trying to talk something over with you is like trying to talk to a 2 year old. You can repeat yourself over and over again, and get no where.

    I think everyone else except you understands what I'm trying to say. Why is that?
    i feel the same way about you all the time buddy... except you're a 2 yr old with idealistic thoughts that will never happen("if everyone were compassionate in the world, etc").. you sound like a ing beauty queen, "my wish is for world peace" lol..stfu!

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    Zak, the bottom line is if you don't feel you shoudl give this man any compassion, don't.

    And her compassion didn't end when she was free. She felt (and I think she was right) that turning him in was the best thing to do for him.
    so he could be killed

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    Well, you apparently have no reading skills.

    "I don't want anyone else to die, not even you."

    If she wanted him to die, she could have done it herself.

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    i feel the same way about you all the time buddy... except you're a 2 yr old with idealistic thoughts that will never happen("if everyone were compassionate in the world, etc").. you sound like a ing beauty queen, "my wish is for world peace" lol..stfu!
    Yeah, such a bad thing to want.

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    Yeah, such a bad thing to want.
    but UNREALISTIC! wake up and live in the real world and you'll be more productive...

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    Well, you apparently have no reading skills.

    "I don't want anyone else to die, not even you."

    If she wanted him to die, she could have done it herself.
    little women will say anything to big male rapists/murders in order to survive..

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    Zak, the bottom line is if you don't feel you should give this man any compassion, don't.

    And her compassion didn't end when she was free. She felt (and I think she was right) that turning him in was the best thing to do for him.

    that's one bottom line.

    another is that you are more than willing to give this man compassion when he repeatedly showed none for others, and i'd venture to say, your world of ideals would come crashing down if such a monster had ever directly affected you or your loved ones lives.....or maybe....just maybe, you make the man that murders/rapes your loved one some pancakes....i dunno.

    and if you believe that she turned him in for HIS benefit, you are really tokin it.

    but 2 each there own....

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    How is wanting an indealistic world unrealistic?

    I agree that one occuring is unrealistic, but why the should I dictate my actions like that? I have values that I stick to.

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    I don't know why some of you equate opposition to the death penalty as pity or compassion on the criminal. I hope he faces serious, miserable hard time but I'm still against execution.

    And there's nothing unrealistic about abolishing the death penalty. It will happen sooner than you think.

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    You know, this woman could come out what she felt, and you still woudln't believe her.

    OH WAIT, she has.

    Zak, I don't believe he should be let free by any means. Life, and a hard life, in prison will do just fine.

    I think you have a misunderstanding by what compassion is in this context.

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    I don't know why some of you equate opposition to the death penalty as pity or compassion on the criminal. I hope he faces serious, miserable hard time but I'm still against execution.

    And there's nothing unrealistic about abolishing the death penalty. It will happen sooner than you think.
    unrealistic is manny talking about "if everyone were compassionate, things like this many not happen"

    we weren't referring to the death penalty in that case...

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    You know, this woman could come out what she felt, and you still woudln't believe her.

    OH WAIT, she has.

    Zak, I don't believe he should be let free by any means. Life, and a hard life, in prison will do just fine.

    I think you have a misunderstanding by what compassion is in this context.
    why doesn't death suit him?

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