Probably, but isn't it possible that a non-violent society could place a low value on life also?
some good news...
ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Former hostage Ashley Smith, who helped police peacefully capture suspected Atlanta courthouse killer Brian Nichols, will receive a $10,000 reward from the state of Georgia, Gov. Sonny Perdue has announced.
Absolutely.
Zak, I think he should be charged with involuntary manslaughter as well, and 13 counts of it(the train man). However, I don't know a place in this country that will get you the Death Penalty, and they charged him with murder, not MS.
I don't think he did intend to kill the people on the train. But he PURPOSELY parked his truck there. He KNEW the train would hit it. It's like driving the wrong way on the freeway to kill yourself. You don't know that if you hit someone they will die, but there is a chance for that to happen. That is a huge difference from what happened in the courthouse. The court is responsible for having lax security, not for taking a gun and shooting 3 people.
Chris,
They PURPOSELY had Nichols escorted by a smaller woman. They PURPOSELY had the gun in a lock box that she had the key to.
Or were those accidents?
They didn't know that Nichols was going to escape, but there was a chance right?
and they charged him with murder, not MS.
that's very suprising to me. maybe they wanted to aim high and settle for manslaughter?
Those are ridiculous comparrissions. The guy put his truck on the tracks to get hit by the train. The courthouse didn't have the woman guard him, or put the gun in the box so he would escape and kill those people.
You're acting like the engineer on the train saw the truck and sped up or something. Enabling someone to do something, and you causing the effects all on your own are two different things.
Why? It wasn't murder in any way shape or form, yet they were also looking into the death penalty.
I don't know whats happend recnetly, I haven't looked into it.
I don't care about the train incident. You are trying to argue the Nichols case by comparing it to something that happened under different cir stances.
I think they will press for murder, and he will probably get MS. I hope that at the very least he is put away for a very long time.
See, now you're bringing intent into it, which doesn't factor into negligence.
Chris, they are diffrent events with different cir stances, but they both involved negligence.You're acting like the engineer on the train saw the truck and sped up or something. Enabling someone to do something, and you causing the effects all on your own are two different things.
But I guess arguing that people selectivly apply their thoughts on accountability with someone who is doing that very thing prooves my point enough for me to drop it.
Intent has lot to do with determining what type of crime it was. Intent changes weather it is 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, or 3rd degree murder. It also proves that the person wanted to kill the people or if there deaths were an effect of their actions.
But not in the case of negligence Chris. Legal negligence is a present regardless of intent.
If there was intent to commit a crime, then it would be above negligence.
If you intend to kill someone how are you negligent?
As I said, if there was intent to commit a specific crime, it would be above negligence.
How is "above" not the same as saying there isn't negligence involved. Nichols is not negligent for the deaths of those people, the courthouse is. The man who parked the truck on the tracks is negligent for the deaths of those on the train.
The train incident is negligence on the part of the driver. He never intended to hurt anyone but himself, so there was no intent, but the accident was still caused by him.
The absence of intent means that he was criminaly negligent. Had there been intent, it would have been a different thing.
The Nichols situation shows negligence on the part of the authorities. They never intended what happend to happen, so there was no intent, but they share a huge portion of the responsibility for what happened.
Once again, there is an absence of intent. I don't know if they were criminaly negligent, and regardless I can't see them ever being held to that level of accountability. However, if I'm the family of the federal agent that was killed I certainly am consulting with lawyers over a possible lawsuit against the county.
The initial point I was making, was that people don't have a standard level of accountability. In the trian incident, people were saying he should have known what could have happend, and that his mental state wasn't an excuse. Well, why aren't those same people applying that same standard of accountability torwards the authorities in Atlanta? They should have known what could have happend if an inmate got a hold of a weapon, and they didn't take very smart measures to stop that from happening. Even when warned about it. This didn't come out of the blue.
Political Correctness Kills Three, wounds others
Off topic, on topic rant. Good stuff.
I agree. She was just too damn small. I'd say the same if it was a man that small. However, pinning it off on the ACLU is ridiculous. The ACLU would not have fought a decision based on size.
Finally, from that last post I can see we're basically saying the same thing. I do believe the county is at fault for what happened. I wonder though if the female guard that was overcome was doing things according to procedure. There was several comments from unamed officials that seemed to point to her not following prisoner handling directives. I do believe that directive one should be that there is more than one guard with a prisoner at all times.
I don't think the guy that parked his truck on the tracks should get death. I do believe he should be put behind bars or placed in a mental ins ution for many years.
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