The Demonizing of Illegal Immigrants

[JoeChalupa]

Sorry Joe. Our justice system blows. Gonzalez chokes on wang 24/7.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'll quit "demonizing" them when they quit coming into the country and ing up social security, the welfare system, and raising crime levels. Hear about the execution style shootings in New Jersey? One of the suspects was an illegal immigrant. Interesting.

I guess South Compton must be full of immigrants because of all the crime and what not.

[td4mvp21]

I guess South Compton must be full of immigrants because of all the crime and what not.

I don't care if Americans pose the same threat, at least immigrants' crimes can be prevented, if they come in illegally.

I already acknowledged that Americans are responsible for crime as well.

[peewee's lovechild]

I don't give a if the vast majority of WORKERS are not thugs, there are too many illegal aliens in this country PERIOD who are thugs. I don't care if Americans pose the same threat, at least immigrants' crimes can be prevented, if they come in illegally.

Also, a load of those undo ented workers probably don't pay taxes and have a fake SS. Bye bye, social security.

You guys want them to have rights in this country? Tell them to start acting like American citizens and paying taxes like the majority of Americans in this country.

If social securtiy is what's your main concern, it's not the illegal immigrants that will cause it's demise . . . it's all the baby boomers that are going to retire real soon.

Social Securtiy is a system with many flaws, and illegal immigrants is the least of it's concern. The funny thing is that you don't understand how it all works. If an illegal immigrant steals a SSN, that would mean that he's actually paying into the system. That person wouldn't be able to get any benefits because prior to getting any benefits you have to prove you are the person who owns the SSN.

Now welfare . . . mmmmm, you may have a point. But, you will find that it's the actual U.S. citizens that abuse of it much more than these illegal immigrants.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I guess South Compton must be full of immigrants because of all the crime and what not.

Doesn't sound like you've been there before. I know they are all not all illegal immigrants, but there are a ton of Mexicans there. If you were trying to insinuate that South Compton is all African American, you are very wrong.

[JoeChalupa]

I'm pretty sure not all of them are Mexicans either. There many illegal immigrants who are NOT Mexican.

[peewee's lovechild]

Nice attempt; however, unfortunately for your point, Syria, Iudaea, and Aegyptus were all provinces of the Roman Empire back then.

LOL.

I see you got that.
Well, you get the spirit of the arguement.

Jesus Christ would have such an at ude towards the illegal immigrants. So, I just found it funny that one of ST most avid christians was willing to adopt such an at ude.

[peewee's lovechild]

I already acknowledged that Americans are responsible for crime as well.

You said "I don't care if Americans pose the same threat".

I just don't see what you're trying to say.

Enforcing immigration laws is going to reduce crime in America??
Do you really believe that??

Look, this is what's going to happen to the crime rates in America if you get rid of illegal immigrants:

Nothing.

The rates, percentages and types of crime will all still be there.

You are a fool to believe otherwise.

[peewee's lovechild]

Doesn't sound like you've been there before. I know they are all not all illegal immigrants, but there are a ton of Mexicans there. If you were trying to insinuate that South Compton is all African American, you are very wrong.

I never said anything about it being all African American. I was just pointing it out as a well known place of violence. However, I doubt there is a large percentage of illegal immigrants raising all sorts of there.

Just what is it that you're trying to point out about Mexicans being there. So, every brown person living there is just classified as "Mexican" regardless of the fact that they have been born in the U.S.?

Nice.

[td4mvp21]

You said "I don't care if Americans pose the same threat".

I just don't see what you're trying to say.

Enforcing immigration laws is going to reduce crime in America??
Do you really believe that??

Look, this is what's going to happen to the crime rates in America if you get rid of illegal immigrants:

Nothing.

The rates, percentages and types of crime will all still be there.

You are a fool to believe otherwise.

I'm trying to say that crimes committed by illegal aliens are completely preventable, given the right amount of border security. That is less crime, if you subtract the crime from illegal immigrants, no? It wouldn't make a huge dent in the crime rate, but less of any crime is a good thing.

[peewee's lovechild]

I concur. I do believe that if we would enforce our borders and laws as they are now things would change. A lot of the problem is that many immigranst simply don't have the do entation that we as Americans take for granted. Many are born and not do ented so they have no "legal papers" stating who they are such as a birth certificate.
Now granted, I don't know all the redtape there is to get into this country but I don't get why as an American I can pay $100 for a passport and get into almost any other country in the world.
I just find it hard to be "cold blooded" or whatever and just have the "deport them all" or "that's too bad" at ude towards my fellow man. But I guess there comes a time for tought love for us all.

History moves in cycles, it always has. This country is still in it's infancy. We haven't been in power for long at all. Think of the consequences if this country should take a fall.

I'm not saying that Mexico will be the next in line for power, but it very soon could be us trying to get in somewhere else for help.

I just hope everybody's ready for all this "tough" love.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'm trying to say that crimes committed by illegal aliens are completely preventable, given the right amount of border security. That is less crime, if you subtract the crime from illegal immigrants, no? It wouldn't make a huge dent in the crime rate, but less of any crime is a good thing.

Understand that there will never be "less crime" by removing illegal aliens. Some other group will take their place. You're completely delusional if you think that the rates will drop.

Getting rid of illegal aliens is the panacea for crime. You really can't be this dense. Plus, you're making it seem like there's a HUGE part of the illegal population that engages in crime. Don't assume that what you see on T.V. represents an entire population.

If T.V. assumptions were true, then I would believe that all white people have sex with their sisters and cousins and all black people have great athletic talent and a knack for selling drugs.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Just what is it that you're trying to point out about Mexicans being there. So, every brown person living there is just classified as "Mexican" regardless of the fact that they have been born in the U.S.?

Nice.

You ever been there? Would it have been better if I said Mexican-American?

[peewee's lovechild]

You ever been there? Would it have been better if I said Mexican-American?

That clarifies things.

[peewee's lovechild]

But, what is your point?

[TheSanityAnnex]

And I'm not against illegal aliens. I grew up in North San Diego county in the Avocado capital of the world, and we had a ton of illegal aliens make my town their home. They work their asses off for minimal amounts of money only to send it home to their families in Mexico. I've got a ton of respect for a person who does that.

[TheSanityAnnex]

But, what is your point?

I thought you were saying South Compton was entirely African-American, that is all.

[ashbeeigh]

LOL.
So, I just found it funny that one of ST most avid christians was willing to adopt such an at ude.

It's neither here nor there peewee. I believe in due process as well.

[peewee's lovechild]

I thought you were saying South Compton was entirely African-American, that is all.

I never said such a thing, never even implied it.

I'm trying not to get banned, remember?

[peewee's lovechild]

It's neither here nor there peewee. I believe in due process as well.

I don't know what sect you belong to, but true christians believe in living like Jesus Christ.

When in doubt, just ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"

I'm trying to imagine Jesus telling illegal immigrants, "Get the out!! We got due process here!!! I don't care what's going on in your country!! You are a burden to us!! What am I, your caretaker??"

Hmmm, I wonder if the benevolent Jesus-man could pull this off.

[peewee's lovechild]

And I'm not against illegal aliens. I grew up in North San Diego county in the Avocado capital of the world, and we had a ton of illegal aliens make my town their home. They work their asses off for minimal amounts of money only to send it home to their families in Mexico. I've got a ton of respect for a person who does that.

By the way, the avocado capital of the world is probably in Michoacan, MX. The entire state is practically covered in avocado trees.

[td4mvp21]

Understand that there will never be "less crime" by removing illegal aliens. Some other group will take their place. You're completely delusional if you think that the rates will drop.

Getting rid of illegal aliens is the panacea for crime. You really can't be this dense. Plus, you're making it seem like there's a HUGE part of the illegal population that engages in crime. Don't assume that what you see on T.V. represents an entire population.

If T.V. assumptions were true, then I would believe that all white people have sex with their sisters and cousins and all black people have great athletic talent and a knack for selling drugs.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org...mevictims.html

Go there, it's a small list of victims of illegal immigration crime. My point is that these crimes SHOULD NOT EVEN BE HAPPENING, because the wrongdoers SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THIS COUNTRY. I guess some people will only understand if it involves them. I'd be outraged if a friend or family member of mine was such a victim.




Illegal Alien Crime Wave in Full Swing
American Chronicle | August 4, 2005
By Jim Kouri

Jim Kouri, CPP is fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and served in law enforcement for over 25 years. He writes for many police magazines such as Police Times. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc. His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com and can be ordered at local bookstores.

Complex problems are associated with illegal aliens who commit crimes. Criminal aliens tend to be drug-oriented and violent, often preying on members of their own cultures. If deported, they frequently use new names to reenter the United States and establish residence in different cities. Furthermore, aliens do not confine their criminal activities to border cities--communities throughout this country are experiencing increasing alien involvement in drug importation and distribution, weapons smuggling, and violence against persons and property.

The escalation in alien crime has placed added demands on state and local law enforcement personnel. Effective identification of aliens involved in crime requires familiarity with fraudulent do entation. Proper arrest procedures must be carried out, and complex notification and reporting requirements must be satisfied; otherwise, dangerous aliens can escape prosecution and deportation. Handling the myriad problems

associated with alien crimes is often beyond the capabilities of local police departments.

Some illegal aliens in the United States have been arrested and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails, adding to already overcrowded prisons and jails. On April 7, 2005, the US Justice Department issued a report on criminal aliens that were incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails.

In the population study of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.

[peewee's lovechild]

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org...mevictims.html

Go there, it's a small list of victims of illegal immigration crime. My point is that these crimes SHOULD NOT EVEN BE HAPPENING, because the wrongdoers SHOULD NOT EVEN BE IN THIS COUNTRY. I guess some people will only understand if it involves them. I'd be outraged if a friend or family member of mine was such a victim.

So, what you're saying here is that all the "wrongdoers" in this country are illegal aliens??

Dude, that's it . . . I give up.

One can never win a battle vs. a closet racist.

[TheSanityAnnex]

By the way, the avocado capital of the world is probably in Michoacan, MX. The entire state is practically covered in avocado trees.

Maybe we are just avocado capital of the Nation??? Fallbrook, CA.

What kind of avocados do they grow there? Personally, I only eat Haas.

[td4mvp21]

So, what you're saying here is that all the "wrongdoers" in this country are illegal aliens??

Dude, that's it . . . I give up.

One can never win a battle vs. a closet racist.

I meant the wrongdoers OF THOSE CRIMES, you know, the ones committed by illegal aliens. I never meant to say that all wrongdoers are illegal aliens. You're blowing it way out of proportion. I'm ing sick of everyone always bringing up racism in this discussion. I am not in the least bit racist. My best friend is Hispanic. My background is Hispanic and Lebanese. My friends consist of people from all races. So STFU and don't ever call me a "closet racist" just because you misinterpretated something that should have been clearly understood.