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Illegal aliens have broken the law when they enter the United States illegally, since doing something illegal is against the law, proper action by the authorites should be taken if the illegal is caught.
End of the Thread.
Here is the best answer:
Illegal aliens have broken the law when they enter the United States illegally, since doing something illegal is against the law, proper action by the authorites should be taken if the illegal is caught.
End of the Thread.
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Finally E20 contributes to the Club!
It's not a 'black and white' argument E20. If it were, the problem would not create such of rift of differing and dissenting opinions.
Besides, how can you claim that the assertion of that isolationist, race-selective, 'law' defines everything? How can it be reconciled with the basic premise of the Declaration of Independence? If our judiciary system were flawless you could claim that our laws were perfect; but since that is not the case that would then imply that maybe some of the laws were imperfect. This one falls into that category.
What would happen if Congress suddenly passed a law declaring that all 'left' handed people were criminals. How stupid does that sound? Well, what would be more apalling is if people actually bought into that concept.
The very dichotomy of doning rights to some while denying them to others is hypocrisy - that people justify their reconciliation is another matter. The two concepts are just too diametrically opposed. The fact remains, however, that the if the "pursuit of happiness" in an "unalienable right" then it would follow that it belongs to all people. Pay particular attention to the root word of the adjective preceeding the word 'right'.
Did it sink in?
Here it is...'Alien' or not... the right is 'unalienable' - not for a government or any other establishment to deny...
Again... one earns what they work for. These people work, they get paid. If they screw up, messing around with legitimate felonies kick 'em out. Should be simple... but no. Our xenophobic society rejects anything that might be perceived as a threat to the 'comforts' of their livelihoods. Oh no! My tax dolars are not being used on me! Me, me, me!!!! Our fears created this problem. These immigrants wouldn't have to enter the country 'illegally' if the legal processes weren't so unattainably restrictive.
Yes... I'm proud to be an American Citizen... but I try not to lose sight of the fact that compassion and service to others are attributes that honor this Grand Nation and not the other way around.
I love it how after 9/11 no one was even thinking about the illegals here but now they all want a 5 mile high wall along the southern border because terrorists might sneak in! afterall the 9/11 terrorists did sneak in along the unprotected southern border. *sarcasm*
It has to do with the wait period that is driving people to come here illegally. I mean it takes a lengthy time from 1 year up to maybe 6, but that is totally a different agenda. IMO A good solution would be is to pass a bill or some new law that allows a hastier registration process for a Visa/Green Card so that maybe it might tempt people to be more inclined to do it the legal way, but that would be tough to do because background checks and the rest of the other processes take a while so you can never really know who to let in until all is said and done. To be honest I don't even know how a person without any family connections can get inside the US, would they have to check with their own government first? I don't know, but if Congress can pass a new law where the registration process is still as effiecent, but cuts the wait period it might help or have some effect on the number of people just walking across the border.
They're Haas, although I don't remember what they call it in Mexico.
They're pretty ing good, that's all I know.
Hitler's artist mentor was Jewish.
So, I think you're proving nothing by naming all your race relations.
Your actions and your words frame what you are.
Last edited by peewee's lovechild; 08-12-2007 at 03:58 AM.
Have you ever smoked pot?
Snorted coke?
Drank some beer (we all know you're under age)?
Then that would make you illegal as well.
Like how the shoe fits??
Last edited by peewee's lovechild; 08-12-2007 at 03:58 AM.
EXACTLY!!!!
The detractors should make note of where they came in through!!!!!!
You still don't understand, and that could be because of your age.
If they streamline that process, this government would still deny Mexicans or any other peoples from third world countries because of thier point of origin.
I have not heard a single person in this thread tackle the problem with the Canadian border. Everyone assumes the worst from our Mexican border. All these closet racists believe that the worst comes from our Mexican border, but they refuse to see the real danger that comes from our Canadian border.
People coming from the Mexican border at worst want to work in the U.S.A., but Canada (that has a huge Middle Eastern poplulation) poses the real threat in terms of terrorism.
Yet, not one person here has advocated for a wall on the northern front.
That is blatant racism no matter how you put it.
Last edited by peewee's lovechild; 08-12-2007 at 04:00 AM.
laughable.
worst answer, sorry kiddo.
And where have we violated any of these rights of an
illegal? Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
If I remember correctly we deprive people all the time
of their liberty (freedom of movement) by putting
them in jail for breaking the law. And I do believe
these people break our laws when they enter illegally.
Where in that statement do we guarantee it to anyone
showing up on our shores, uninvited. Using your sense
of reasoning if an illegal shows up they could run for
the office of President. But it happens that the
cons ution says you must be NATIVE born to seek
that office. Gee the cons ution gives with one hand
and takes away with other under your terms.
Would you please explain to me what is human rights?
I said nothing of racist nature. I already explained to you what I meant by that phrase and you don't seem to want to listen. So I give up arguing with you.
I didn't say anybody did.
You said illegals don't have any rights. You said citizens were granted those rights in the Cons ution.
I set out to prove your statements incorrect.
It's generally accepted that humans are born with the rights to pursue life and liberty, not to be slaves, equal treatment in the eyes of the law, freedom of movement, family, owning property, free flow of information, freedom to worship as they so choose and more.
Now, before you twist what I said around and say give immigrants land and give them a TV (I think you said something about watching football on Sundays), I believe people must also abide by the social contract.
I don't believe either extreme is totally correct, and even then, I don't know the answers. I do know that A) there needs to be massive immigration reform, B) immediately detaining and deporting all undo ented persons without "A" only temporarily solves the problem, C) a form of asylum would allow those who pose no threat and only wish to find their own American dream an opportunity to do so while undergoing substantial checks and becoming tax-paying residents.
There's an efficient and happy medium to be found here. I just wish I had a clue as to exactly what it was.
I'm actually an atheist, so I don't care about Jesus' opinion of me.How absolutely very Christian of you.
I'm sure Jesus is looking down on you with a smile.
You're being racist right there, by saying all ME's are terrorists.
When I said if they hasten the process, I never said everybody would get in faster, I said it would be hard if not harder for people that are poor to get in, because they have no way to contact the US or local government to apply for Visas. But, breaking a law is breaking a law and if an illegal gets caught he should be punished. I could care less if illegals are coming in, as long as they are not affected ME in a negative way. I could also care less if that illegal is doing criminal activites (drugs, theft etc.) because our own citzens do that same . So I just lump those criminals with the rest of them.
Bringing the threat of terrorism is a whole different arguement here, but the fact that Canada hasn't been payed any attention to is because that more people cross the border from down south than up north, so maybe that's why attention is being focused down south. I mean if a terrorist snuck in from Canada and did something, then all attention will be focused on Canada's border and nothing else, but so far that hasn't happend. I'm sure there are some stats around that more people have entered illegally from Mexico than Canada, so that's where the problem lies and that's where the attention is being focused.
Last edited by E20; 08-12-2007 at 01:25 PM.
I was being semi-sarcastic and posting the straight forward response. I know it gets deeper than that.laughable.
worst answer, sorry kiddo.
You're being racist right there, by saying all ME's are terrorists.
Funny.
Smart ass.
You get what I was saying.
Put yourself in the shoes of a terrorist would you risk coming in through the southern border where its 110+ degrees, plus not enough water, plus border patrol agents and helicopters or would you rather sneak in through the un-protected, cool, and green canadian border?then all attention will be focused on Canada's border and nothing else, but so far that hasn't happend. I'm sure there are some stats around that more people have entered illegally from Mexico than Canada, so that's where the problem lies and that's where the attention is being focused.
Has that happend? I'm not saying that that has no chance of happening, but until it does the US government will not care about Canada's border.
So then why is the government only worrying about the southern border? I haven't heard of terrorists sneaking in through there. Because obviously it takes a terrorist attack to focus on the canadian border but it takes hard working people coming here to work to focus on the southern border, nice double standard.Has that happend? I'm not saying that has happend, but until it does the US government will not care about Canada's border.
Yes it has!!
After 9/11 they caught a Middle Eastern native in Seattle. He was planning to blow up the Space Needle. He was caught in the U.S. In Seattle, Washington.
Where did he come in from??
Canada.
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