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I did.Decide for yourselves then
Two seasons.
Nice guy.
Decide for yourselves then
Hakeem Olajuwan
[edit] Accolades
2x NBA champion (1994, '95)
2x NBA Finals MVP (1994, '95)
1x NBA MVP (1994)
2x Defensive Player of Year (1993, '94)
6x All-NBA First Team (1987, '88, '89, '93, '94, '97)
3x All-NBA Second Team ('86, '90, '96)
3x All-NBA Third Team (1991, '95, '99)
5x All-Defensive First Team ('87, '88, '90, '93, '94)
12x All-Star
Olympic gold medalist (1996)
Named one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
Only player in NBA history to have won MVP, Finals MVP and Defensive Player of the Year awards in the same season (1994).[21]
One of the 4 players in NBA history to have ever recorded a quadruple-double.[3]
Olajuwon also won the rebounding and blocked shots les in 1989-90, becoming the third player ever (after Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Walton) to lead the league in both categories during the same season.[29]
All-time leader in blocked shots. (note: the NBA did not keep statistics for blocked shots until the 1973-74 season)
Olajuwon is also in the top ten in blocks, scoring, rebounding, and steals. He is the only player in NBA history placed in the top ten for all four categories.
All-time NBA Playoffs leader in total blocks with 472 and blocks per game with 3.3 per game.[44][45]
Olajuwon ranks 7th all-time in steals and is by far the highest ranked center. (note that steals were not recorded until the 1973-74 season)[46]
In 1989, Olajuwon had 282 blocks and 218 steals, becoming the only NBA player to record over 200 blocks and 200 steals in a season. [18]
Olajuwon is one of few players to record more than 200 blocks and 100 steals in a season. As the all-time leader in this feat, he did it for 11 seasons (consecutively from the 1985-86 season to the 1995-96 season). The next closest is David Robinson, who did it for 7 seasons.[47][48]
Tim Duncan
In his career, the two-time MVP (2002, 2003), four-time NBA champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007) and three-time NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005) Duncan has collected a number of individual and team honours. As a college player, he was named ACC Male Athlete of the Year, won the John R. Wooden Award and was named Naismith College Player of the Year (all 1997).[7] In his debut year in the NBA (1998), he was voted Rookie of the Year and elected into the All-NBA Rookie Team, made the first of nine NBA All-Star Teams (eight First Team nominations), ten All-NBA Teams (nine First Team nominations), and ten All-Defensive Teams (seven First Team nominations).[3] With these impressive performances, Duncan is one of only four players to receive All-NBA First Team honors in each of his first eight seasons (1998-2005), along with Hall of Famers Bob Pet (ten seasons), Larry Bird (nine seasons), and Oscar Robertson (nine seasons), and is notably the only player in NBA history to receive All-NBA and All-Defensive honors in his first nine seasons (1998-2006).[36]
Duncan was also named by the Association for Professional Basketball Research as one of "100 Greatest Professional Basketball Players of The 20th Century", being the youngest player on that list.[37] In the 2001-02 season, he won the IBM Player Award[38] and The Sporting News (TSN) MVP Award,[39] becoming the third player to ever win the NBA MVP, IBM Player and TSN Player Awards in the same season. In 2003, Duncan was ranked 55th by Slam Magazine in their list of the "Top 75 NBA players of All Time". On February 18, 2006, he was named one of the Next 10 Greatest Players on the tenth anniversary of the release of the NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team by the TNT broadcasting crew.[40]
I did.Decide for yourselves then
Two seasons.
Nice guy.
Horry said Hakeem was the best.
Is Horry Chumpdumper? No.
For the sake of honest argument, I looked up the PER ratings for both players.
PER
Age Duncan Olajuwon
22 23.2 21.1
23 24.8 24.2
24 23.8 23.8
25 27.0 23.4
26 26.9 25.2
27 27.1 24.1
28 27.0 24.3
29 23.0 23.7
30 26.1 27.3
Average 25.4 24.1
If you compare PER ratings for Olajuwon and Duncan at the same age up until age 30, Duncan is clearly the superior player. Both players tend to be criminally underrated but given Tim Duncan's age and what he's already accomplished, I think history will remember him as the better player in the end.
PER ratings have their flaws -- they don't, for example, account for intangibles, especially on the defensive end of the floor, which was a large part of Hakeem's presence. But general consensus is that PER is reliable barometer for a player's overall talent.
It pains to have to write this post, love Hakeem as much as do, but I like Duncan and I don't think he gets enough respect. So...there you go.
I don't like comparing both of them, they're great on their own respective career. I do think Hakeem's peak is higher than TD's peak, especially defensively, but TD has the better achievements up to this point. I must say Hakeem's the better athlete, TD's the better BBall player -that's my SUBJECTIVE opinion.
Tell us something we don't know.
Very good way of putting it. But looking at the careers and my personal bias I will choose TD. Well I will honeslty choose TD without the bias. I love all texas sports teams with the exception Dallas Mavericks at times.(too classless.) Never truly liked them much, but they are still TX. But houston has always been my second favorite team. And I use to love Drob and Hakeem duels. It was great. I love Hakeem and definately respect what he did as a player. But I just think that tim is a better basketball player in regards to doing everything effectively(including team work). If I would start a team I would pick Duncan first. Then Hakeem. Then Shaq(which pains me to say) then Drob. (obviously not on the same team, but in the order of my selection draft wise.)Although Shaq is obviously before Drob I would personally pick Drob before Shaq. I think the reasons should be obvious.(not just cuz he was a spur and yes shaq was more dominant) but out of pure all around great bball player and class act.
Kind of dumb to argue this on a Spurs message board. If its remotely close, everyone on here will choose the Spur. Take this arguement on a neutral board if you really want to have a true debate.
It's safe to say they are both much better than Dirk.
You can argue D-Rob vs. Hakeem. Duncan vs Hakeem is just silly. Duncan in a landslide. Duncan is going to have twice as many all-nba first teams by the time he's retired as Hakeem did.
Hakeem clearly got the better of Robinson in '95. But all their other match ups were neck and neck. When Hakeem left, so did Houston's relevance in the Western Conferance power rankings, evidenced by them not doing squat since.
Houston homers are putting all their hopes and dreams on a PF that would not have been good enough to start for the Spurs and a washed up former franchise player on bad wheels making their team better, which they should be. But they'll still be the 3rd or 4th best team in the western conferance.
Duncan and Hakeem were both great players. One intangible that not many talk about is what makes Duncan far and away a better player then Hakeem. Duncan makes everyone around him much better.
btw no one talks about Duncan winning his 4 NBA les with 4 completely overhauled rosters. Hakeem won his back to back les with essentially the same starting core players.
By the way we got scoreboard es.
Which lasted about two years. Duncan's been on a ten year plateau.
Ask and you shall receive.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43680
http://boards.ign.com/basketball/b5109/143878190/p1
As you'd expect on basically any non-Spurs forum, the opinion of neutral NBA fans is decidedly pro Hakeem. So is the opinion of Mario Elie and Horry, the 2 common teammates of Duncan and Hakeem.
Do you always have to be such a smartass? God it was nice while you were gone.
Personally, i'd take Hakeem imo he was better all around than Duncan and much more athletic.
Getting All NBA first team in the diluted 2000's (which see teams like the Cavs, Nets, and Sixers make the NBA Finals with marginal at best teams) at forward when 2 forward's make it is a comprable achievement as making All NBA First team at Center in the 1990's when you have Hakeem, DRob, Shaq, Ewing all in their primes? Not quite.
You got it backwards btw. Duncan-Hakeem is close enough to debate, as evidenced by the forums in the above link getting some actual discourse. Hakeem-Robinson is just so obvious it's not worth even talking about. It's like asking if Shaq was better than Ewing or if Duncan is better than Garnett.
As a player, no doubt that Duncan is a better and more effective player who will always be the better winner. However, for me, Hakeem was the most talented player I have ever seen, in my eyes more talented than even Jordan. Hakeem had moves, I have never seen any other player do or even attempt.
This is a statement that many throw around here which really is overblown "Duncan makes everyone around him much better"
There's not a big man in NBA History IMO who literally "makes those around him better" IMO. That honor is reserved for the super great PG's like Stockton, Magic, Nash.
Guys like Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem can certainly make the game easier for teammates but that's different than really making them better.
Anyway, when you look at the guys that Duncan has played with, most have been quality players pre-Duncan or in situations without him
DRob: MVP before Duncan got there
Elliott: All star pre-Duncan
Tony Parker: Finals MVP 2007
Ginobili: Great international success
Finley: All star/solid 2 guard for many years pre-Duncan
Bowen: Marginal NBA Career pre-Duncan and found a perfect role in SA
Horry: Nothing needs to be said here
Duncan's certainly a great teammate and a very unselfish player which I guess is a part of what you are getting at, but the Spurs have some great collective talent around him. These guys aren't scrubs who would fall to pieces without Tim.
A lot of people here love to say Shaq had Kobe, Shaq had Wade, but the roster the Spurs have excluding Duncan right now is pretty damn good, even if it lacks a traditional 2nd superstar like Pippen, Kobe, etc.
Parker is arguably a top 5 or 6 PG in the NBA. Would he not be as ridiculously quick and clever around the basket if he didnt have Duncan on his team? Somehow I doubt that.
Ginobili is one of the most clutch finishers in today's NBA and he's done this at the international level too (against the US as well) without Duncan on his team.
Copy that. The most exciting player I've ever seen. His progression from U of H to his NBA peak was incredible. I can remember watching him play and being in awe.
Without Duncan I question whether the Spurs would win 40 games.
I've never heard any arguments about The Dream (which BTW was a bad man) being the best ever at his position.
forget about Hakeem Duncan
The real question should be for years to come..who's better? Yao or Duncan?
Tim Duncan
San Antonio Spurs
Position: F-C
Height: 6-11 Weight: 260
College: Wake Forest
Player file | Team stats
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 20.0
RPG 10.6
APG 3.4
SPG 0.8
BPG 2.4
FG% 0.546
FT% 0.637
3P% 0.111
MPG 34.1
Yao Ming
Houston Rockets
Position: C
Height: 7-6 Weight: 310
College: China
Player file | Team stats
2006-07 Statistics
PPG 25.0
RPG 9.4
APG 2.0
SPG 0.3
BPG 2.0
FG% 0.516
FT% 0.862
3P% 0.000
MPG 33.8
For years to come? Well Yao is 26 and Duncan is gonna hit 32. I don't think you have a choice there.
Robinson vs. Hakeem head to head: Robinson 34 wins, Hakeem 14 wins. Just because Hakeem played over his head for four games doesn't make him the superior player. Robinson's teams were upset in the playoffs more often than they weren't. It's not an accomplishment for a team that rested all their starters at the end of the season while everyone else had to play. It's amazing that Robinson could win championships when he was surrounded by talented players, too.
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