13 points
9 assists
8 rebounds (btw, what point guards average 8 boards a game?)
2 steals
Per game
12 triple doubles
If you stop nash from scoring, he's not as effective.
If you stop Kidd from scoring (which isnt that hard), he's just as effective
Kidd is so underrated its ridiculous. The guy is a top 3 ALL TIME pg, yea I said it, second to only Magic and Oscar Robertson. His court vision, ball handling, passing, and just all around ability to make his teammates better is just off the charts. If you put Kidd on the Suns in place of Nash, you have a dynasty instead of a perrenial 2nd round team.
I love Nash and I love Kidd...however both in their primes I would choose Kidd. Still, Kidd has VC, Jefferson and some decent talent albeit injured in the Leastern conference and can't dominate.
Does the jealousy of the Suns keep Texas awake at nights?
Kidd isn't nearly as good as Nash. Ive seen both in their primes for years. Im not going to even bother arguing about this. If you really believe that Kidd, at any point in his career, could do what Nash does now, then youre blinded by your jealousy.
That is all.
Honestly when you saw Kidd play in Phoenix he didn't have half the team Nash has to work with now. Kidd + Amare, not to mention Barbosa, Diaw, Marion, would be deadly. And having Kidd would eliminate half of the defensive problems by itself.
Shawn Marion, Antonio McDyess (nearly identical to Amare before surgery), Rex Chapman, Kevin Johnson, Penny Hardaway (for a while he was decent for Phoenix), Rodney Rogers, Cliff Robinson, Tom Googliota (before knee surgery), Danny Manning, Mario Elie, Tony Delk.
During the late ninetees/early 2000s, the Suns were second in terms of depth only to Portland. Kidd produced a single playoff series victory and that was to a Duncan-less Spurs and Kidd only played one game in that series.
You're listing all the decent players from the entire time Kidd was with the team. Rex Chapman and Kevin Johnson were waaaaaay out of their primes. Penny Hardaway was coming off knee surgury and would never be the same again. Antonio McDyess was young and had his best years later on with the Nuggets. The rest suck and aren't even worth mention.
Kidd never had much talent to work with on any one given team. Sure Penny, McDyess, KJ, etc were good at points in their careers, but it was never while playing with Kidd. And I forgot Shawn Marion, the year yall beat the spurs he was young and only put up like 9.1 ppg for that season. He wasn't exactly the human stat machine you see today.
And the next year he had Marion when he average 17 and 10.
Kidds best teams as a Sun:
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball...roster/00/21/1
Notables: Shawn Marion, Penny Hardaway, Rodney Rogers (6th man of the year that year), Cliff Robinson, Tom Googliota, Kevin Johnson and Luc Longley.
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball...roster/98/21/1
Notables: Antonio McDyess, Kevin Johnson (still in his prime), Danny Manning (6th man of the year that year), Rex Chapman (in his prime...leading scorer that year), Cliff Robinson and Steve Nash!
They won 56 regular season games that year (most in Kidds NBA Career) but lost in the first round.
He had some GREAT teams...but his lack of shooting really hurt the team. They never had a go-to guy in the clutch. The play I saw from Steve Nash the first half of this season was unlike anything I've ever seen in a point guard.
Last edited by da_suns_fan__; 09-06-2007 at 10:21 PM.
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He had some very good teams in Phoenix, but they weren't better than the Blazers or Lakres.
Jason Kidd is a major plus on any team he plays for. Period.but his lack of shooting really hurt the team.
Then I guess you never saw Magic, Isiah, Stockton, Payton, Pistol, Archibald play then. You should be old enough to remember Buck, Zeke and Payton.The play I saw from Steve Nash the first half of this season was unlike anything I've ever seen in a point guard.
I never they were, dumbass.
And I AM too young to remember Pistol Pete Maravich. He retired the year I was born. Nate Archibald was before my time too. I saw plenty of Stockton, Zeke, Payton, Magic etc. and I stand by what I said.
And why do you keep responding to every post I make since you hate me so much?
I think you are borderline obsessed.
Last edited by da_suns_fan__; 09-07-2007 at 09:45 AM.
I dunno about you, dude, but if I hate someone, I make it a point to let them know. It's no fun ignoring someone you don't like.I didn't say that they were, dumbass. And why do you keep responding to every post I make since you hate me so much?
I think you are borderline obsessed.
Then you're an idiot.
miss teen south carolina?
Like D'Antoni and the Iraq, such as...
Youre still REALLY upset the way I exposed you the other day, huh?
That was fun.
And who says that I need new material?
You two are clinging to the same joke that I forgot a word in my sentence....
Ha ha...good one...typo.....what a dumbass!
You guys are out of your league.
Exposed me? No, you didn't quite post nekkid pictures of me, but you gave it the old college try. Kudos to you.Youre still REALLY upset the way I exposed you the other day, huh?
That was fun.
You and SpursDynasty are both idiots, but he at least brings the funny.
Ah yes...the "SpursDynasty is a genius/moron" conundrum.
"I love SpursDynasty. I hate SpursDynasty. I love SpursDynasty. I hate Spurs Dynasty. I love SpursDynasty..."
- FinDog
Ever hear of the phrase "someone you love to hate?"
SpursDynasty is awesome. Whether he's a troll or is suffering from a concussion, I don't know, but he rocks. I wish I could help you out with your reading comprehension problems, but only you can do something about that.
Maybe he's a troll suffering from a concussion?
First of all, I'm probably the biggest Duncan fan on this site, and I'm taking LeBron if there's a draft today. If it's just for this season, of course I'm taking Duncan, but LeBron is not THAT far behind Duncan presently, and he's got him beat in the age department by a mile, so I'm taking him for the long haul. Like Tim said to LeBron, this league is going to be your's soon, and it is. Kobe is not even top 5 on this list to anyone who knows the game. He can't do without diesel on his team. He's a cancer. You could see LeBron was the far superior player on Team USA. He should have been the tournament MVP, no question.
1) LeBron
2) Duncan
3) Howard
4) Oden
5) Wade
By the way, no way in is Kidd better than Nash. There's a reason has 2 MVP's and Kidd has 0, and it isn't because he has better talent on his team. Kidd has Carter, Jefferson and Krstic. And if you don't know about Nenad Krstic yet, you will soon.
And I find all of you praising how good Kidd's defense is HILARIOUS. He's servicable and he has good hands, but let's not get carried away. Anthony Johnson anyone?
What he said...www.m-w.com
a basic element : FOUNDATION <a cornerstone of foreign policy>
Meaning something you BUILD AROUND. We BUILT around Timmy...the Lakers haven't build $h!t, and DWade came as the supplemental element surrounding Snaq. Lebron I can't argue with but to put those 2 above TimmyD is ludicrous.
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