The Difference between football and baseball

[Whisky Dog]

Let's put it this way: I regard Derek Jeter as a tough guy with a tough mentality, but if his finger gets snapped sideways there is no way he's staying in the game. He'd be out for a week at least.

[FromWayDowntown]

Better athletes? I never said that.

Tougher individuals across the board? I don't see how anyone can dispute that. Your average baseball player could never, ever endure the harsh pain NFL players have to endure. They wouldn't last.

It's sad that Linemen in this day and age have to be at least near 300 lbs, but if you want to keep up with the league it has to be so. They don't run more than 10 yards at a time, but in their 3 hour game exert a of a lot more energy and effort than any baseball player. The catcher gets some bumps and bruises and may get a collision at home plate every now and then, but linemen get it dozens of times a game. The only grueling thing about baseball from the players perspective is having to stave off boredom for a ridiculous 162 games a year.

I totally disagree with you. Many baseball players were football players at one point and each of them dealt with the pain that football players have to endure. That they chose to play baseball doesn't mean they couldn't hack football.

But since you're convinced they're a bunch of panty-waists who play a boring game, I wonder how you can claim to know so much about it? Do you just get off on paying attention to things that you don't like?

It's okay to love both baseball and football, and to respect the athleticism and toughness of the players in each sport -- I promise.

[Whisky Dog]

I totally disagree with you. Many baseball players were football players at one point and each of them dealt with the pain that football players have to endure. That they chose to play baseball doesn't mean they couldn't hack football.

But since you're convinced they're a bunch of panty-waists who play a boring game, I wonder how you can claim to know so much about it? Do you just get off on paying attention to things that you don't like?

It's okay to love both baseball and football, and to respect the athleticism and toughness of the players in each sport -- I promise.

I grew up playing both baseball and football so that's how I know about the sports. I never said I don't like baseball, but I just think at the major league level the players as a whole have become complete pussies. Although, I probably didn't do a good job of discerning my disdain for MLB as opposed to minor league or HS/College baseball. I guess I just got tired of the extremely long games with so much wasted time and hearing of people going on the DL for weak injuries. I have more respect for the guys trying to hack it out day in and out in the minors than I do for guys like Carlos Zambrano who stuff their fat faces constantly, perform poorly, then when the fans finally boo their underachiving and overpaid asses. Then you have guys like Carl Pavano who take the huge contract then proceed to become oft injured weak tickets who don't earn a dime of their money. I just get that vibe from a lot of MLB players with a few like Jeter who will sacrifice themselves to win being the exception.

I know a lot of the guys grew up playing football and other various sports, but when they get to the highest professional level they are overpaid and underworked for what they actually do. Then they complain about it.

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Let's put it this way: I regard Derek Jeter as a tough guy with a tough mentality, but if his finger gets snapped sideways there is no way he's staying in the game. He'd be out for a week at least.

Because he couldn't hit jack and wouldn't be able to field. It's not good if you can play through the pain when you're hurting your team.

EDIT: There's also a ton of guys who bring their lunch pail to work every day in baseball. David Eckstein, Eric Byrnes, Miguel Tejada (took an at bat with a broken wrist), Torrii Hunter, etc. Not everybody in MLB is Carl Pavono, just like not everybody in the NFL is Terrell Owens.

[Marklar MM]

Could Derek Jeter even throw the ball straight if his finger is bent sideways.

[Whisky Dog]

Could Derek Jeter even throw the ball straight if his finger is bent sideways.

Troy Aikman did, and that ball was a of a lot bigger and heavier.

[Поповић]

Each sport emphasizes the use of different parts of the body. It's not surprising that a blister could take a pitcher off his game.

[Marklar MM]

Troy Aikman did, and that ball was a of a lot bigger and heavier.

in all reality, I guess it would be determined by which finger was bent. If it was his pointer or index, he wouldn't be able to throw. But I will say it is much harder to throw a baseball than a football with a bent finger.

[DarkReign]

I don't like how my thread got turned into a scoff about baseball history and some rant by DarkReign that made absolutely no sense ( BTW, Parity = more compe ion and more teams with a chance at a Superbowl, not only 3).

Wheres the reject button around here?

Youre dead wrong. Parity is supposed to mean "everyone has a chance", but that isnt true in pro football. Not even remotely. Sure, theres parity amongst the vast majority of teams in the NFL (like 27 of them), so I guess if you say "parity" and mean "Yes, youre as good as 26 other teams, but have no chance at the Superbowl", then sure...theres parity all over the mediocre place!

FACT: There are only 5 teams with a chance to win the Superbowl.

FACT: 3 of the above 5 are heavily favored over everyone else.

MY OPINION (which will be fact and cut short the reasons to even watch): One of those 3 above teams will win the Superbowl. (i know, i know...HUGE reach with that last statement, just friggin HUGE!!)

Call me when the season ends and tell me how wrong I was.

Just so I am clear and dont have any wiggle room, the other 2 teams with a chance are the Steelers and Cowboys. Total darkhorse that I believe has no chance (and I wont include in this argument) is Chicago.

Colts, Bolts and Pats....your 2007-2008 Superbowl Champs. Whoopety-doo for the other 29 teams!!!!

[Whisky Dog]

Wheres the reject button around here?

Youre dead wrong. Parity is supposed to mean "everyone has a chance", but that isnt true in pro football. Not even remotely.

FACT: There are only 5 teams with a chance to win the Superbowl.

FACT: 3 of the above 5 are heavily favored over everyone else.

MY OPINION (which will be fact and cut short the reasons to even watch): One of those 3 above teams will win the Superbowl.

Call me when the season ends and tell me how wrong I was.

Just so I am clear and dont have any wiggle room, the other 2 teams with a chance are the Steelers and Cowboys. Total darkhorse that I believe has no chance (and I wont include in this argument) is Chicago.

Colts, Bolts and Pats....your 2007-2008 Superbowl Champs. Whoopety-doo for the other 29 teams!!!!

That's not what parity is supposed to mean, that is what it means. If you go back a page you'll see this nice little quote:

That, and the parity that exists. You have 3 elite teams (Pats, Colts, Bolts) and everyone else is mediocre at best.

That statement contradicts itself. If parity exists, then there would be few elite teams and a lot of very good teams. You said it exists then said there are only three teams with a chance to win. That's why I said your statement made no sense.

[Marklar MM]

That's not what parity is supposed to mean, that is what it means. If you go back a page you'll see this nice little quote:



That statement contradicts itself. If parity exists, then there would be few elite teams and a lot of very good teams. You said it exists then said there are only three teams with a chance to win. That's why I said your statement made no sense.

He was sarcastic. There is parity amongst 29 teams while the other 3 teams will fight for the superbowl.

[Whisky Dog]

Also, it's not a lock that one of those three will win. If you just look back a few years you'd see that Tampa Bay won, Carolina came within a FG of a win, Philly came within a few points of winning one, Seattle got screwed by the officials out of a win, etc. There have been a lot of close SB recently with last year being the exception, and only the exception because of the abomination that is Rex Grossman.

I think you're confused. The league that truly lacks parity is the NBA where unless you're on a team with Shaq or Timmy D you didn't win 8 of the last 9 les.

[Whisky Dog]

He was sarcastic. There is parity amongst 29 teams while the other 3 teams will fight for the superbowl.

That one didn't scream out sarcasm, but it's probably just a misunderstanding.

[samikeyp]

I think George Carlin said it best. (this was done about 20 years ago, I think)

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!

[Whisky Dog]

Carlin 20 years ago was pure genius. He knew the pussy factor of baseball.

[DOMINATOR]

because baseball is a game of inches. a hurt finger on a pitcher who has to use many different grips for different pitches is going to effect him more than a toe... where as a hurt toe will effect a football player more than a pitcher.

BTW: Jason Hirsh broke his leg earlier this year in the first inning and he stayed in to pitch 5 more innings. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2966509

Chase Utley was hit in the hand in the 5th inning earlier this year... it broke his hand but he stayed in the game and went 2/4.

i could go on and on but WhiskyDog wont care anyway... he just doesnt like baseball which is fine.
also baseball players play EVERYDAY, football player have 16 games... hmm 162 or 16.
every pro athlete plays banged up.

[Spurs rock]

Baseball is boring.

[Fillmoe]

pitchers will take a month off simply because their vagina hurts

[TheSanityAnnex]

Baseball players many games, but they are still pussies.